Fun With Guns: This Is a Stick-Up Edition
I am now taking bets on when this will happen in Texas.
A guy was robbed of his gun by … wait for it … another guy with a gun.
A man practicing his open carry right was robbed of the gun he was openly carrying.
William Coleman III was robbed of his Walter- brand P22 just after 2:00 a.m. October 4 in Gresham by a young man who asked him for it — and flashed his own weapon as persuasion.
Coleman, 21, was talking to his cousin in the 17200 block of NE Glisan St., after purchasing the handgun earlier that day.
The clock is ticking for the ammosexuals to make their move.
When it happens, let me know.
It was always a matter of when, not if. Now it has happened. Would love to know if the guy was ever caught and if he had an arsenal of stolen weapons.
1Not much has changed for little Billy the 3rd. Back in grade school the other kids took his lunch money. Now they’re taking his gun.
2If this happened in October, just think how many more instances this has occurred that haven’t hit JJ’s desk yet!! Lucky for Little Willie, he didn’t get shot by his own gun by the creep who stole it from him.
3Probably will happen in San Antonio first. We have a lot of brilliant people here….
4I’m kinda worried about this new open carry law. Of course if they carry openly, everyone knows who’s got a gun. But does anyone know who is likely to shoot someone and nobody is sure which is the good guy or the bad guy? And what if the two year old climbs up in the closet and finds the gun and plays with it and kills his best playmate or his mom?
5As a friend in Pennsylvania says, Pennsylvania has open carry but the state is not swamped with extremists like Texas.
So the good guy with the gun didn’t do too well.
I guess now he’s a good guy without a gun.
6Tell me again what is the point of carrying a gun? Self protection? Oh, right. How’s that working for ya?
7Two year olds have already found loose guns in the house and shot someone. So have three, four, and five year olds. One dad was shot in the leg by his toddler son–I think it was reported here last year or year before. The case I know of here in this very small town was a 4 yo who shot a younger playmate after finding grandpa’s gun in a bedside table drawer, while grandpa (who was supposed to be watching the kids) took a nap.
Open carry is an invitation to gun thieves. They can see what you have (is it better than what they have? Then they’ll go after it. A Saturday Special is scary enough when the open end is pointing at you, and your Walther P22 (clearly the victim had been reading James Bond stories) is a better, more reliable weapon than the thief’s. It’s like taking your brand-new shiny-bright expensive and desirable car down to San Antonio and leaving it parked on the street (certain streets in particular) overnight with the keys in it.
And displaying one’s guns at home–or talking about what you have, how many, how much you paid for them–is also an invitation to gun thieves. It’s like being known to have a lot of money at home, or a collection of fine art or silver or any other valuable. There’s not nearly as much attraction in a plain jane .22 single-shot rifle varmint gun as in a 9 mm or .38 or .45 handgun, because criminals find handguns much more useful in their business than a small-caliber rifle. But they can sell that .22 for something, and if you have a collection of hunting rifles and shotguns, esp. larger caliber, those can be sold for more. I’m always amused with I’m around gun enthusiasts bragging about what all they have, in surroundings where there are undoubtedly gun thieves listening in and deciding who to hit first.
8Oh, wait, you’re taking bets. Before January 15.
9Let me guess, and the guy taking the gun was NOT Obama?
10Important to undo restrictions on collecting gun death/injury information. We need to know the following:
About the guns: number of guns stolen (from homes–in locked or unlocked storage?, from police, from businesses–gun stores or guns in other stores?, from cars, etc.), types of guns stolen (as we know which car models are most often stolen, we should know which guns are most often stolen)–and, about the gun(s) involved in the shooting, the make, model, caliber, source of gun (how shooter obtained it, when, whether registered or not.)
About the victims: age, sex, relationship to shooter, activity prior to shooting, extent of injuries.
About the shooters: age, sex, relationship to victim(s), activity prior to shooting, results of drug/alcohol testing, affiliation with violence-prone organizations (gangs, terrorist groups, militia organizations, professional association with shooting such as police/military/security guard, etc.), prior behavioral indicators (anger management issues, domestic violence, etc.)
About the specific shooting situation: Was shooter hunting (licensed, unlicensed, legitimate property owner or leaseholder, poaching?) Was shooter committing a crime using a gun (robbery, intent to do bodily harm?) Was shooter attempting to foil a crime (assault, robbery, etc.) and if so did shooter initiate contact or respond to threat? Was victim intended or unintended (e.g., was someone inside a house shot when someone outside the house was aimed at?) Was shot fired as a result of carelessness, ignorance, mishandling of weapon (the so-called “accidental” discharge of weapon? The presumption should be that all small children who discharge a weapon do so out of carelessness, ignorance, immature failure to understand guns.) Was shot fired as a result of misjudgment of situation? (“I thought it was a burglar, not my family member.”)
We need a complete, nationwide, no-holds-barred investigation of every single gunshot resulting in an injury, death, or damage to property, one that makes it possible to tease out the people, situations, guns, in which bad results are most common.
(Incidentally, on TV last night I saw a very happy open-carry supporter talking about how happy he was, and how now he didn’t have to worry if his gun stuck out and was a little visible…and he was carrying in a holster from which even I, a rather clumsy 70 yo woman, could have removed his pistol easily and quickly if he was in an elevator standing in front of me, and shot him in the kidney. Not that I would, of course.)
11“Let’s all carry guns” just reminds me of this incident, which happened on the other side of my town but could happen anywhere and has happened in a number of places. Two couples who have been arguing with each other meet in the parking lot and get into another argument. Guy A goes to his car, gets his gun, shoots and kills Guy B. Coulda been a couple bloody noses and a black eye, but no, we’ve got a dead man, a widow, a guy going to jail, and a jail-widow, all because some idiot who got mad had a gun handy.
Guns for protection, my ass.
12Guns are now obviously the “new fists” in a mano y mano fight.
Rhea is right: Guns for protection, my ass!! Hard to tell just whose ass is being protected!!
13@Elizabeth Moon, all excellent questions and subjects for research… though as far as I know the government is still blocked by a gun-licking Congress from spending any money finding answers to those questions because the gun industry doesn’t want us to know.
14Re: Elizabeth Moon @3:08 pm
I hear a lot of stories of children getting a hold of guns, but none of really young kids getting a hold of booze.
Is this a result of what gets reported? Or do these ammosexuals keep a better eye on their alcohol than their deadly weapons?
15Everyday Freethought, good points. One of the Pervangelist snacilbupeR arguments against legalizing pot is that children might get into the stash. Could that be an admission on their part that they cannot secure anything?
As for locking up their booze? LOL. Nah. It arrives in the six pack of Pabst they drink; no storage, no fuss no muss. Only way a kid could drink their beer is to 2nd Amendment a can out of their white withered paws.
16Idiot got what he deserved. But let’s be clear about the intention of the open carry law proponents. At first it was meant to correct a problem with the conceal carry law. It was a violation of the conceal carry to “brandish” your weapon. What “brandish” means really depended on the police and prosecutors said it means. Let’s say you were a fat man taking the days receipt to the bank at night and got pulled over for being black in a white neighborhood. You follow the police instructions and get out of the car. Because you couldn’t find a shirt big enough to cover, while seated, the gun and its holster the cop sees it. You are now criminally liable for “brandishing” your weapon. Or lets say you are out and about walking your dog in a white neighborhood and you have your shirt untucked but again you are too fat and the vague outline of your weapon is visible. Depending on whether or not your white neighbors think you should be living in that particular neighborhood you could be charged with brandishing your weapon. Just to be honest it’s always the dumbass howl at the moon republicans who mess things up for the rest of us. I supported the original law but was perturbed with the unintended consequences of this oversight. Now we have a law on the books that makes things less safer for everyone. But don’t worry cause now the police have the right to stop anyone openly carrying. And by anyone I mean anyone darker than a brown paper sack.
17William Coleman III? 21?? Openly carrying? at 2:00am?? on a public street??? not paying attention??? Owned that Walther P22 less than 12 hours. Helluva investment. Dumba$$.
18Good guy with a gun gives bad guy with a gun another gun.
19Thanks to the geniuses at the NRA and your state legislature.
We’d have an idea what gets stolen if the damn things are registered and the authorities have serial numbers. Then you’d have to depend on the responsible gun owners reporting their stoopidity in allowing their responsible guns to be stolen in the first place. If you can’t or won’t hold responsible gun owners responsible,why hold thieves responsible for making fools out of responsible gun owners. According to the NRA and 2nd amendment apologists,the only gun owners are responsible gun owners.
20Elizabeth Moon ~ Wonderful list to which I would add “Is the gunslinger a member of the NRA.
21Great comments. And Micr, you’re right. Why was he out at 2 a.m. wandering around with a gun?
22@Marge Wood
William Coleman III is a textbook example of the consequence of violating Micr’s “three stupids rule”: Avoid stupid people doing stupid things in stupid places.”
23It was a 2014 incident – but it clearly shows how having a firearm doesn’t make one “safer” – instead, it gives one a false sense of safety. This, in turn, can lead one to act foolishly.
24Open carriers are going to have to travel in pairs for their own protection.
25So why were my previous comments deleted?
26never mind computer glitch I guess? They are now appearing above. Odd?
27I thought all these proud, defiant Ammosexuals would only lose possession of their guns by having them pried from their cold, dead fingers. Whatta wimp.
28So basically he pulled an Lorena Bobbitt on him?
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