Drama at the Courthouse
Okay, I stumbled on this one on the news today. For those that don’t want to go beyond the paywall can see the same story here and in other locations I’m sure. It was featured on the news here locally and thankfully for you and I, some intrepid journalists snuck into the legal proceedings and made a recording. Following is the transcript from the original court battle.
Plaintiff: Your honor, that them doctor over there is refusing to give my gramps the dewormer medication for his Covid.
Judge: Is this true (gestures to defendant)?
Defendant: Yes, your honor. That treatment has not been vetted by experts and we decided after consulting with our experts that another treatment…(interrupted by plaintiff).
Plaintiff: Your honor, my cousin Rufus works at the “Stop N Shop” over there in Cleveland. He sent me a video on the YouTubes how that “I” stuff cures the Covids. The video proves it and everything.
Judge: Do you have this video handy?
Plaintiff: Let me look on my Facebook……yup, I got it.
Defendant: You cannot be serious.
Judge: (after watching video) As serious as a heart attack. I’m convinced. Give him the dewormer.
Defendant: And you got your medical degree from (trails off)?
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We protect the identity of our sources, so they will remain anonymous for now. Of course, some might question the exact verbiage above and that’s fine, but the judge did order the hospital to give him the medication he requested. Of course, given that the state doesn’t want to allow women and doctors to make decisions for their own health, I guess the jurisprudence works out. Still, I think someone should check the judge for brain activity. Whoever that is, it better not be a doctor. Apparently they aren’t qualified to make medical decisions now.
I thought you surely had made this up, but… There it is. Apparently an intern at the V.A. had prescribed it, but the guy wound up at another hospital before he could take it.
My guess is that the judge ordered the hospital to administer it because he, himself, is a horse’s ass.
1Now! Now! #1 … you should not degrade a horses ass by comparing it to this judge who has less brain power than a cockroach’s ass!!!
2https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-orders-ohio-hospital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin-n1278267
3Now! Now! #2 … you should not degrade a cockroach’s ass because they will undoubtedly survive the diseases, hurricanes, fires, sea rise, ice melting, floods and tornados after Mother Nature has decided to cull her most destructive herd.
4Hospital atty could have replied:
1) There is no medical study showing the drug has any beneficial effects on humans.
2) We have no samples of the product which have been qualified for human use.
3) There is no recommended dosage; we have no idea how much to give him or how frequently the substance should be administered.
4) We would have no way to assess the effects and tell if we were giving too much or too little or administering it in a proper or improper way.
Lastly – and I have to be brutally honest – about something for which I have to first apologize to the family. It’s also about insurance. Our institution has insurance to protect itself from torts — torts just like this one as a matter of fact. If insurance carriers learn that we are administering totally unqualified substances like this, our ability to purchase — not just afford, but even to *purchase* — insurance may well be compromised. Consider: why would an insurance company offer any type of policy to us if we began so seriously deviating from the standards of care which are otherwise required in the medical community?
5And then, there’s this:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/9/6/2050743/-Oh-this-is-funny-Horse-Paste-causes-sterility
6Who is this judge???? He oughta be bounced off the bench if he has no better judgement than this….incredible!!
7Astonishing!
8A judge over a doctor? Convinced by a youtube video presented as clear evidence by someone that doesn’t sound able to even spell youtube muchl ess pronounce “I” drug. How does this happen?
@ Char, then maybe this is the cure to reducing the amount of blind idiocy out and about. Let em have at it.
9AlaninAustin @5,
I’m shocked that any physician would recommend veterinary medication for a human patient.
We have incompentent judges and elected ignoramuses making medical decisions for women and doctors. They need to be voted out of office.
Somewhere a horse is suffering from parasites because of these asses.
10A sane judge overturned that decision yesterday, thank goodness.
11Cathy @ 9,
There are articles (I’ve only seen the titles) out here in cyberspace suggesting Ivermectin (sp?) can affect human fertility. Perhaps it might better used, if sprinkled in the shallow end of the gene pool.
12Alan and Cathy,
Obviously, my reenactment of the case was purely fictional. I’m sure the lawyer for the hospital made at least some of those arguments and ultimately chose to face the upcoming lawsuit of this family over the malpractice options they were opening themselves up to if they followed the court order.
However, since at least one person added a similar case I have to wonder if we will see ongoing legal precedent here and whether that legal precedent becomes a defense when the doctors/hospitals are ultimately charged with malpractice. I mean if some Trump judge orders the hospital to shoot someone up with bleach you could make the argument they should oblige. After all, it is a court order.
I seriously doubt they used Rufus as evidence, but I can’t imagine that their evidence was any more compelling in real life.
13So now, who’s going to get a court order to bump off Grandpa, I mean treat Gramps, so the heirs can get his estate then sue the doctor for malpractice.
14Ivermectin is available for humans in treating river blindness and other filiarial diseases. And there is a shampoo for head lice. It has been around since the mid 1970s, I believe. Are these products available in the US? I don’t know. How many folks develope river blindness in the US? I suspect that buying it over the counter might be a problem. Are doctors writing scripts for animal medications? The mind is boggled.
15Lest we forget, Louie Gomert (Louie the Goober) was a judge before entering Congress.
Prolly a nephew.
16Cheryl@#15
Yes, Ivermectin is prescribed for head lice and intestinal worms.
We have a used tube of it somewhere around here, not two years old.
I (weakly) believe 12mg is the daily internal dose for pills.
Dosage is the big hangup here. I don’t know the dosage for a horse as an active ingredient. Let me check the Google.
Yep. Dosage for horses is 91 MICROGRAMS/lb…or 200mcg/kg.
BUT I don’t know if there are other things in the paste.
How is Ivermectin thought to work on COVID-19?
“For the SARS-CoV-2 virus to make you sick, it has to first infect your cells.
Then while inside the cell, the virus makes heaps of copies of itself, so it can spread around your body.
The virus also has ways of reducing the way your body fights the infection.
During the infection of the cell, some viral proteins go into the cell nucleus, and from here they can decrease the body’s ability to fight the virus, which means the infection can get worse.
To get into the nucleus the viral proteins need to bind a cargo transporter which lets them in.
Ivermectin can block the cargo transporter, so the viral proteins can’t get into the nucleus. This is how the scientists believe Ivermectin works against SARS-CoV-2 virus.
By taking Ivermectin, it means the body can fight the infection like normal, because its antiviral response hasn’t been reduced by the viral proteins.”
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/ivermectin-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535912/
17Mistakes in above: Ivermectin is single dose per treatment, therefore “daily dose” is misleading. For humans: one pill, one time.
When I lived in the Southeast, as a youth, worms were a common problem. You have to wear shoes! Many don’t.
18Ivermectin is also available in a cream form at an astronomical price to treat rosacea. It works very well for reasons I don’t know, since rosacea isn’t a condition involving parasites, but after the first tube I got with a promotional discount I can’t afford to buy more. My extremely kind dermatologist gives me a bag of samples every year.
My dogs also take it to prevent heartworms. Maybe these people could just order up some additional Heartguard for their dogs. EXCEPT that these sorts of people would likely take their dog’s Heartguard, leaving the poor critters in danger of infection and eventual death.
19There is some evidence of weak benefits from the limited studies that have been done on Ivermectin. However, the effect is not worth betting your life upon. As of last week the few studies that showed benefit were from third-world countries where parasites like filaria and other worms are common. So it’s possible the beneficial effects were from killing off parasites in the Covid patients, allowing their immune system to concentrate on the virus.
God only knows I would not say this at the barber shop, or any place infested by anti-vaxxers and “covid is a hoax” pests. They’d hear the first sentence above, and tune out all the rest. On the other hand, they’re also the folks whose parents ignored Ormond’s warning above, letting them run around barefoot in hookworm and shortworm areas.
20Well, in Ohio, the subsequent day there was another judge, another verdict.
NPR: “An Ohio Judge Reverses An Earlier Order Forcing A Hospital To Administer Ivermectin”
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/1034947315/ivermectin-ohio-hospital-order-judge
in another hearing last week, doctors from West Chester Hospital told the court that ivermectin had not helped their patient. Wagshul, testifying on behalf of the Smiths, did not convince the judge otherwise.
“Plaintiff’s own witness … testified that ‘I honestly don’t know’ if continued use of ivermectin will benefit Jeff Smith,” Oster wrote in the ruling.
“While this court is sympathetic to the Plaintiff and understands the idea of wanting to do anything to help her loved one, public policy should not and does not support allowing a physician to try ‘any’ type of treatment on human beings,” the judge wrote.
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