When You’re in a Hole…
You know the old saying:
When you’re in a hole, stop digging.
Hillary could well take that old saying to heart. Yesterday, during an appearance at a women’s rights conference, she was asked about the election. Rather than demure and speak about the issues of the conference, she went to DefCon 4 and started into launch mode. In doing so, she yet again put on display her utter tone-deafness and why she is a terrible campaigner. She blamed the Russians. She blamed FBI director Comey. She groused about Trump. While offhand acknowledging that her “campaign wasn’t perfect,” she placed the blame for her loss on everyone but herself.
She didn’t take responsibility for losing the Rust Belt by ignoring those voters. She didn’t take responsibility for letting number grunts override the instincts of her twice elected husband. She didn’t acknowledge rigging the primaries and packing the DNC with loyalists. She falsely accused debate moderators for not asking Trump the hard questions. She didn’t take responsibility for being incapable of articulating exactly why she wanted to be president.
But she showed in high definition and full color the reasons why she really lost – she was a awful candidate. She was a terrible campaigner. Her campaign, just like in 2008, was in chaos most of the time with staff in conflict and competing against one another. But most of all she did, and indeed still does believe it was her turn. This was her election, and it was pre-ordained that she would win. There was no reason to campaign in Michigan; the number grunts said it was hers.
It should have never been close enough for Russian interference or FBI letters to make a difference. Hillary Clinton lost to the worst presidential candidate in US history. Period. Yeah, yeah, she got more votes in the popular, because of big turnout in New York and California, but that doesn’t count, does it? She lost because, as Glen Thrush of Politico put it last September – she was (and is) the “Queen of Coasting”. It was on full display yesterday.
Well, the Queen needs to stop digging and put down her shovel. She’s not helping.
Sigh. That was mean . . . .
1I’d suggest that it’s time for Hillary Clinton to stop talking about the 2016 election. All it does is revive the Hillary Haters. She lost for a number of reasons – but that’s in the past. We now need to focus on 2018. Reviving the bad feelings resulting from the primaries doesn’t help unify us for 2018.
2I agree that Hilary needs to back off. If she must speak about it, keep the focus on Russian interference and how BOTH parties should be interested in pursuing that issue.
And you need to stop kvetching about it in infinite detail, too, El Jefe.
3Yes, RepubAnon, I agree with you. She needs to put that energy to good use in helping to save the country from the mess we are in now. I am very tired of all the blaming that is going on. It accomplishes nothing and distracts from the fight ahead.
4Why do we keep reinforcing the same conservative-friendly myths.
Clinton was NOT a weak candidate. She did NOT run a bad campaign. She did NOT ignore the rust belt.
On October 27 she had at the most pessimistic a 6 point lead. That is NOT a close campaign. After Comey’s stunt that lead shrunk to less than 3 points, making it close enough for the upset. There were not gaffes or other events that could have accounted for that change. Without that headwind it is unlikely Trump would have one ANY of the 5 states he needed to win all of.
The reason she did not show up more in the Rust Belt was exactly the same reason RepubAnon above cites. Any votes gained would have stirred up even more Hillary haters. She was WINNING. You don’t screw up a win trying to make it better.
So yes. Argue all you want that well had she had a 15 point lead in October it wouldn’t have mattered. In what f**king universe do you live in where you think it would be possible for a perceived liberal candidate to get a lead that big? The bomb was set, it went off at exactly the right time, and surprise it did damage. It is possible Comey didn’t think ti would swing the election and just burnish his anti-Hillary credentials. After all, the most pessimistic projection was the “terrible” “awful” candidate was 60% likely to win.
With friends like this who need enemas?
5I guess that applies to El Jefe as well.
6…and inaccurate. She did take responsibility for her own errors, and the campaign’s errors.
El Jefe, you’ve demonstrated multiple times that you have a bug up your butt about Hillary and her campaign. Which is fine. But I can’t comprehend your compulsion to keep scratching at it in this forum. It’s been hashed out by everyone here for months, and is pretty pointless at this stage.
As Angela said, it was mean. Which I guess is your intent. And since you have the advantage of being a guest poster here, the rest of us can’t do much about it, except to try and ignore you. I usually enjoy your postings on other topics; you’ve got a lot of knowledge to share. But continually expressing your unchecked animus against HRC serves no purpose that I can see, except to keep picking the scab off wounds that are still very painful for many of us.
Juanita, honey, I love you to death. But I can’t say the same for all of your friends. Frankly, I think they’re lowering the tone of the establishment. Which is why I don’t visit as often, or stay as long. I’m just one patron. But I don’t think I’m the only one who feels this way.
7Thank you Alan.
I’m unable to be an adult on this subject and do not want to go off into a nasty rant at the Hilary bashing. Liberals telling a woman to shut up, suck it up, and how bad a candidate she
8was . . . Off for a long, long walk.
Lunargent: I agree with all you said. It’s not quite as “fun” to come here as it used to be.
9Sorry, but I think you missed the mark on this.
The election was interfered with. Comey and the Russians were factors.
The press was NOT fair either. Lots of this stuff was know about Trump before the election and for some reason would not cover it.
Why would you excuse Trump?
10We gave money to and voted for Hilary. I am not a Hilary basher. Still, I can hear the tone of insincerity in her apologies. El Jefe correctly describes Hilary as a terrible campaigner.
11Hefe, in this case you are wrong. ANYONE who sticks it to The Donald and breaks it off short is welcome to in my book.
ANYONE who won’t let Comey forget he f&$ked the American people is welcome at my table.
ANYONE who drives the narrative straight back at the Putin/Trump alliance gets a place in my photo album.
12Alan’s points are worth repeating, with an addition: based on the fundamentals alone (economy, 8 years of a Democratic administration, etc.), most analysts had pegged the 2016 election as a toss-up, given generic Republican/Democratic candidates. For all that Trump may have been a historically bad candidate, he only lost a point or two among Republican voters. For her part, as noted, Clinton held a 6 point lead right up until the Comey letter kerfuffle, the timing of which was simply too close to the election for her to overcome.
No campaign is perfect. Clinton’s is currently being dissected only because she happened to lose, despite winning the popular vote by a margin of 2-3%. Unfortunately, the electoral map being what it is, she needed 4-5%, and Comey kept her from managing that. It’s really that simple.
13I rarely jump into these discussion but I will now. I am not going to defend El Jefe or his position, mainly because he does not need me to do that and it would be insulting for me to think that he does.
He will be staying. If you don’t like what he has to say, then don’t read it.
I voted for Hillary. That said, I want you all to read “Shattered.” It’s strongly documented and well written. I am about half way through and I am shattered, too. I realize that all people are flawed, some more deeply than others, but some flaws are fatal. Hillary screwed up running for president – not once, but twice.
I completely understand that she won the popular vote. Yea! Celebrate! But she knew about the electoral college and she blew it.
It is beginning to appear to me that Hillary has become too comfortable being the victim. I cringe every damn time I hear her blame misogyny. Barack Obama overcame racism AND the vast rightwing conspiracy so just shut up about it.
Look, we let Hillary talk and represent the Democratic Party for a full year. Let’s give someone else a shot. I think she needs to go write her book, but NOT to lead the resistance.
14I wish you’d check your Hillary Hate at the door of the Salon. Please leave it outside.
15Why does Hillary need to apologize? She didn’t lose. Did you expect her to personally kneel in front of every individual and tell you how wonderful you are and she will give you everything you ever wanted?
You act as if Hillary was responsible for holding the hands and stroking the egos of each of the millions of voters in this country and marking up their ballots. The bar is always set hundreds of miles higher for a woman than it is for a man; as a woman you expected her to run a perfect campaign. You as a voter can’t even take responsibility for your actions. Instead of pushing back on the conservatives for all that Hillary bashing they’d been doing for years, the liberals including you all jumped on the bandwagon and bashed her some more. You are responsible for this. The voters are more guilty than Hillary for the seemingly lack of the perfect campaign and the existence of Trump as president.
16It’s clear there are, and have been for years, a lot of strong feelings in the ranks when it comes to Hillary. Which is exactly the reason I had a bad feeling when she became the Democratic candidate. I personally admire her and voted for her and wish she had won, but she didn’t, for whatever reasons, including, but certainly not restricted to, the Russians and Comey. But it’s over and done and I am sick and tired of hearing about the election and the campaign. God knows we were already sick and tired of the campaign back in early 2015. She AND Trump need to stop already with all discussion of it. Trump being what he is never will, but she has a lot more smarts and self-control, and she needs to publically move on. Continual scab picking does not allow for healing.
17What JJ said. I voted for Hillary too, while holding my nose, but she was not the best candidate. JJ is also right about Shattered. Go read that and tell me then that the criticism is unwarranted (if you read Game Change, you really don’t need to read Shattered; just change the date since it is a predictable replay). It’s long past time for the Clintons to step aside, crank up the Foundation and do the good work they were doing before this fiasco. They can talk human rights, voting rights, and social justice, which is what they’re good at. They need to forget 2016 and stop grousing about it. In the meantime, the DNC establishment is laboring under the myth that the Russians caused all this and they did NOTHING wrong for the last 9 years. The last decent chair the party had was Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy. He won both ’06 and ’08 with the big tent plan. It worked so well it was immediately scrapped (along with the ethics reforms) when Hillary got control after 2012, going back to pre-2006 mindset. It’s time for new leadership, and the only way they change is for all of us to acknowledge the mistakes made so they can be corrected.
18What is not helping is progressives eating their own. Now that the election is over this post is mostly innocuous, but I saw a similar tone during the election. Undermining the candidate or party you want to win is a foolish strategy and that mindset contributed to Clinton’s loss every bit as much as her lack of campaign charisma did.
Clinton is a policy wonk and a good one. Unfortunately, too many voters think a candidate should be fun and charismatic. I much prefer competence.
One of our two premiere election problems is the sheer ignorance of masses of voters. Clinton didn’t cause that and she can’t single-handedly fix it.
The second concern is the taint of special interest money. Clinton has gone along with that, but she didn’t cause it and has no power on her own to stop it.
Hillary Clinton was an exceptional candidate and a poor politician. The fact that a slimy politician and terrible candidate won is not on her.
As for her launching an attack on sleazy election tactics, good!. I wish more Dems would go on the attack and hang Repub sleaze around the party’s neck like a dead albatross. The Repubs have demonized Dems and liberals. It’s time to return the favor. The good news is that Dems can use real issues to attack.
19No one made her use a private server. And, honestly, what else truly gave the RWNJs so much purchase to slime her?
Otherwise, Wiener would never have entered the final equation…
20I can’t believe all the right wing drivel media talking points I am reading in a thread of people that in the same breath claim to be democrats, liberals, or have voted for Hillary.
With friends like these who needs the gop to kill a good candidate?
Men with their dick wagging out have killed this candidate, from Bill to Weiner, to Comey, Putin, to bernie’s bony dick finger.
Think my comment is offensive? I thought it was offensive that they did it.
21I saw the interview, she did take personal blame.
22And thus, the blame game continues. Some facts that consume me:
Politico, Oct. 2016: 200 million registered voters.
Election results:
Clinton: around 66M votes.
Trump: around 63M votes.
According to math, 71M didn’t vote. Uh huh.
2371 million. I don’t dislike Hillary, or Bernie people or Stein people or anyone who voted their conscience. But those 71 million who didn’t care? I hope you all suffer twice as much as anyone.
I saw the interview too and well, yes she did take responsibility for ignoring voters where she thought she had things locked up. Yes she did.
And, yes she did blame Comey — and rightfully so. And the Russians — again rightfully so. And Wiki-leaks — and – – all together now – in four part harmony . . . .
That said, BOTH candidates need to stop talking about the election already. That is SO 2016!
We are trying to survive the worst presidency in the nation’s history RIGHT NOW. That needs to be our only focus RIGHT NOW.
24@ LynnN:
I completely agree that “The Repubs have demonized Dems and liberals.”
Whether or not it’s time to return the favor is up for debate. One thing is certain, though: It’s time for Dems and liberals to stop demonizing Dems and liberals.
25No matter her faults, and the fact that I didn’t particularly like her, she was far far better than what we are stuck with now. As a Quaker I don’t ascribe to violence, but I’m willing to make an exception in the case of Trump.
26Ok. Hil lost-twice-and she has to put up with the sad 3am infinite loop nightmares of what-might-have-been. She is still popular on the talk circuit in some circles, so we will have to see her and hear from her now and then, or skip it. Jefe, it might be better for your blood pressure to skip it! But I don’t think she is the root of the problem, however much she irritates you!
Jim Wright has a new post with some excellent observations about the Trump folk. It is most unfortunate, but the underlying problem we have here is that the truth doesn’t sell well, and broadcast networks are all about advertising dollars. This has created a situation in which real pertinent news is passed over in favor of tabloid style hype and conflict generating garbage, BECAUSE IT GETS EYEBALLS. Miany counties in Ohio and Pennsylvania flipped from Obama 2008, 2012 to Trump 2016. Why? Because many of those folks did not see the hope and change that they had voted for-and blamed the President. Not John effen Boehner. Not Mitch may he rot in hell McConnell. Not the Tea Party or the Freedom Caucus. Not the obstructionist policies and kabuki theater those corrupt persons entertained themselves with for the last eight years up on Capitol Hill. They blamed Mr Barack Obama, 44th President of the USA. Who, by the way, is not God. So until we find a way to hang the poor governance (ACA replacements? Budget posturing? Toxic nuclear Senate rules on demand?) around the necks of the GOP in the House and Senate, we Democrats could nominate Jesus the Christ for President and lose, because He was not a Republican. That is a problem!
27Hillary may well have run a flawed campaign; but, NOTHING she did, or didn’t do, can come close to comparing to the outrageous Trump campaign.
Simply put: I blame the voters. They exposed themselves as ignorant, selfish, and racist. This mess is entirely on them. Unfortunately, we will all reap the whirlwind they set in motion. A pox on all their houses.
28Mea culpa. I should check my own facts first.
Counting Hillary, Trump… and all the other candidates and write-ins… aprrox. 63M didn’t vote. Not 71M.
But still.
29It is true, as some have pointed out, that Hilary apologized. It is also true that many, including a lot of us who supported her, sense that her apology was not particularly heartfelt.
30Hillary employed what in football terminology would be called a prevent defense. I despise the prevent defense.
It’s near the end of the game. Your team is ahead. All you have to do is keep the other team from scoring. They have to go 80 yards is 1 1/2 minutes. It looks good.
You put all of your defenders back deep in an attempt to prevent a big gain. Instead, the other team has an open field to get 3 to 5 yards every play with short runs and passes.
Then, they manage to break one big play, or even worse FBI Director James Comey, sorry, I mean a referee throws a flag on your team – – when you can clearly see on the replay he missed three other fouls by the other team!!!
15 yard penalty. Kick the field goal. Game over.
31Wapo has a perfect example of the media’s treatment of Hillary. Yeah, the media played an enormous role in making the narrative stick that Hillary was “out of touch.”
32Here’s the link to the short article: https://goo.gl/JNi3BN
Dammit, I worked on her campaign! She had a ground game that was fabulous! Then along came somebody with no filters, no boundaries, no experience who conned millions of people who felt afraid of get this . . . rich white men who would take away their jobs, foreclose their homes, etc. etc. Does this make sense? I would wager this is what so many of those broken people are wondering now and turning their heat towards Trump. Quit picking on the woman, dammit! That will get you nowhere.
33Well, El Jefe, yes we know, you have many issues with Hillary.
We all laugh about how popular vote loser Donald Trump can’t let go of the election – so – maybe we should set the example for him. Time to move on and regroup!
I hope future candidates can learn from the mess that happened in November, but people are people and obviously a big bunch of us are stupid.
34Stop! Please! 2016 cannot come back. Hillary made mistakes because she is human. She is brilliant at policy. Not cuddly? Well I would rather have smart policy than teddy bear. She was vilified by the rethugs for years over made up charges. The so called hearings were nothing but a political witch hunt. Comey broke every rule by releasing that letter and Putin had his thugs hack her emails, DNCC amount others. Plenty of blame. But blame does no good. Remember the mistakes but move on. Use what was learned. But don’t repeat past mistakes. Let go. Move forward.
35Thank you El Jefe for daring to give your opinion in the face of the inevitable backlash from Hillary fans. I held my nose and voted for her. Don’t ask us to do that again.
36As several others have said here, let it go El Jefe. It’s over, you don’t like Hillary. We know. To again echo others here, What do we do Now, other than attack our own?
I’ve heard a great deal of concern about the Far Left behaving similarly to El Jefe, hating on Hillary and any moderate Democrats, continuing to attack the rest of our party. Stop the attacks and look at the big picture. How do we get the truth out there? Counter the snacilbupeR Lie Machine? Reach the moderates of any party who voted for Orange Whore? Clean up the campaign and election system? Get Putie out of American politics?
A recent poll showed that a large portion of Americans believe snacilbupeR are better than Democrats for working people. We need to really focus on this, another example of our need to get the truth out there. We need some really good media people to create one liners that reach folks. “Planned Parenthood Protects People,” “Democrats for All Americans,” “Republicans Kill Schools” or something.
Especially, let’s create a candidate pipeline beginning on the local level, NOW.
37Mrs Clinton said a couple of very important things that may get lost in the rest of her interview. “I am now back to being an activist citizen and part of the resistance,”
Hilary Clinton as activist citizen is breathtaking.
Hilary Clinton as part of the resistance deserves a cheer.
But Hilary does need to be visible while exercising her citizenship and resistance. She still has value to the country if she doesn’t treat this new status like being in the witness protection program.
38My friend Bethany Bannister put this on Facebook. She found the words I was looking for. Please take the time to read it.
I have such an overwhelming frustration and anger over people who have never run a campaign not understanding why it is so incredibly dangerous to pin HRC’s defeat on Russia and the Comey letter.
If you have never run a campaign, you don’t get to shoosh me on this point. Do I think the Comey letter had an effect? It did not help her, but how much it hurt is a big question no one can solve, because there was no voter outreach in a grassroots campaign and organizations that wanted to partake in grassroots efforts, volunteers that wanted to do so, were turned away by the HRC campaign in the very areas she lost.
I have seen so many people talk about how grassroots doesn’t work because HRC did not win, but what they fail to understand is that HRC and Mook did not run a grassroots driven campaign. They focused on data – and mostly on data from 2008 and 2012. They did the thing we warned them not to – don’t get overconfident. They did. They did not perform voter outreach even though the very state parties that cost her the electoral college begged the campaign to do just that.
I am so incredibly frustrated by the inability to talk about this because by not talking about the failures of the campaign – by talking solely about Russia and the Comey letter, we refuse to learn from a huge problem that will cost future elections. I am so incredibly angry that I am not allowed, as a person who has experience in this field to say this, because I will get shut down as a misogynist or a HRC hater and I am so angry that my considerable experience is not validated and that I do not get to be angry at Mook and HRC for running this kind of campaign, because this is why Trump won.
From me: Amen! Thank God in Sweet Heaven Above for young women like Bethany who are unwilling to write this loss off as real bad luck.
39@ Juanita Jean
40Thank you, I accept. This is your place and you make the rules. I will henceforth avoid El Jefe’s posts, because this one is based on a lie: “she took no responsibility”, followed by the weak sauce: “she didn’t use a form of words/tones/gestures/semaphore that I found convincing.” I am sick to death of people misrepresenting what a woman says (El Jefe) and justifying it with tone policing when they get called out on it (Uncle Dave, twice). We have the regular media for that.
Your friend Bethany can discuss the tactical failures without the animus shown by EJ, so I read her part with interest, though I don’t agree with her saying she’s not allowed to say something, even as she says it.
My 2 cents because we have worked on a number of campaigns. Even had fun when somebody came to DH to ask him to do John Connelly’s race. DH said for 10000 dollars and all the milk i can drink.
41That aside, we are with El Jefe on this one.
I got ticked off when Obama threw Howard Dean out like yesterdays news.
And many times, we get awful candidates. That one we ran for governor was sure not ready for prime time.
If i placed blame for the Ds loss, I’d put as much on Bernie delegates as Comey. Nobody trained them about being a delegate. My kid was at the convention working and thought they didn’t even have a floor manager. Their incessant crying and yelling crooked DNC did as much damage to the party as any leaked email. And why didn’t somebody from Nevada step up when the big lie about them throwing chairs at the state convention was on the tv news for days? It all adds up when all most voters care to see is a headline.
We have given money to all kinds of Democratic candidates and committees. Never heard a word from any Democratic organization. State or county. I get an email from the Republicans at least twice a week keeping me in the loop about what they are doing and inviting me to participate.
Bethany said it a hell of a lot better than El Jefe, and I thought lot about my criticism before putting it out there. It’s time for all of us to be honest with one another and stop screaming “misogynist” at everyone who dares criticize Hillary.
42Miss Juanita, I agree with you. I admire Hillary, and I voted for her gladly…but if you don’t get your grassroots going, you aren’t gonna win. Look what is going on now-people are getting engaged and involved, so maybe Dems can be heard. I hope so, for all of us.
In thinking about this election, though, I think Hillary was not a good choice-the wall of hate against her has been around for over 20 years, and I don’t care how good you are, that hate wall is darned near impossible to scale. And, forgive me, but being a female just made even more difficulties. Our country still has misogynistic tendencies and we see examples every day of brilliant, accomplished women treated as second class citizens (telling Senator Warren to shut up, for one).
So, the answer to our problem? There are many folks out there who have vastly more experience in politics than I and I count on them to bring it-but for me, we need candidates who will be on the ground with all of us.
Oh, off topic, kind of, but there are some young Dems we need to support-like Jason Kander(MO). I have a good feeling about him…
43I’m glad to see so many others commenting to ‘defend’ Hillary. I thought I’d be the only one. I loathed her when she was FLOTUS but I came around in the last few years. She has been treated horribly, particularly by 45 as well as other misogynists. I usually love reading el jefe but was really disappointed in this. And, yes, she did agree she made mistakes–I thought rather forcefully.
44While I doubt anyone will get to post 40, I’m going to weigh in on HRC and 2016.
Y’all do realize this isn’t a zero sum game right? It’s entirely possible that everyone posting on this thread is accurate. Yes, really.
Did Comey’s BS release effect the election? To quote Obama, “Aw, come on man!” Head over to http://www.fivethirtyeight.com where Nate Silver who is way smarter than I am says yep, it pretty much cost her the election. It threw the race by 3-4 percentage points. Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida by less than 1 point. This is not debatable it is a fact.
Another fact. She got 3 million more votes than the Cheeto in Chief did. So she won the popular vote but lost the election. In case you missed it, that happens to Democrats – a lot. Did Hillary know the rules? Yes but can we also acknowledge that the rules are BS?
I saw the interview, I screamed at the TV, “In the name of all that is holy don’t go there!” She went there. But she owned it and there wasn’t a thing she said that was inaccurate. She said, “It’s on me. I was the candidate.” I for one don’t need, want, or expect more self flagellation than that. Furthermore, while I can’t quantify the 8,000+ variables that went into this loss, the Comey letter was “a discrete event that came late in the campaign and had a direct effect on the polls.” The race wasn’t close before the letter, she was leading by 6% or more in ALL the polls, after the letter she lost. DO THE MATH.
Having said this, were there other issues? Duh!
The media, which decided that the horse race was great for ratings also played a huge role in this and if their breathless hyperbole costs all of us the First Amendment and our Democracy they have no one but themselves to blame.
On the flip side, the other side is also right, Clinton’s handling of the email scandal, her inability to drive a positive message, her inability to connect on an emotional level with voters, not to mention her at best questionable and at worst incompetent electoral college strategies all were factors. But none of that mattered in comparison to the Comey letter.
If this were a postmortem on what to do and what not to do I’d have lots to say on the subject but it isn’t. I just want you to recognize that it isn’t a zero sum game, Hillary made mistakes, the media pilloried Hillary unrelentingly, and Comey DID throw the election. So here’s my suggestion, the next time someone asks Hillary about the election, she needs to look straight into the camera and ask them, “Have you ever seen Frozen? Let It Go!”
I’m going to respectfully suggest that short of a discussion that focuses on how to win in 2018, 2020 and beyond “Let It Go!” needs to be our theme song because snarling at one another is most assuredly both self defeating and autocracy ensuring.
45Deb? Sane, intelligent and mature. Thank you.
46Exactly what Deb said. And I mean EXACTLY.
47Can’t touchtype any more…joys of age. Gotta keep it compact: We didn’t need policy wonk. Hillary seemed arrogant and monkish to me, and my studies in cognitive science indicated to me that she was unaware of “backfire” http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
and failed to hit the “friendly” notes needed to get the vote, even without real assent from the voters.
I, too, noted the failure to aid the grassroots, which reminds me of the abandonment of Howard Dean and the 50-state.
The accusations of arrogance and wonkery also remind me of Adlai Stevenson, whose famous quote about “all the intellectuals voting for him” turned up again and again, but was not acted on.
I don’t care about misogyny in this context.
Now go vote and cajole your neighbors.
48Learn from Trump. HE makes emotional contact. He DOESN’T clutter his message with details.
And deplorables…SERIOUSLY?
49Jaunita Jean,
this pretty much wraps it up for me with your buddy el jefe……
50Listened to this kinda bashing for too long to read it here too…..
Why’d she lose? cause of self righteous closeted misogynist like the one that wrote this right here…..