Secede or Renounce? UPDATED
I just saw breaking news that Ted Cruz has announced that he will renounce his Canadian citizenship. I guess he flipped a coin because with all his talk about Texas seceding from the union, you’d think he’d renounce his US citizenship, too.
Thanks to John for the graphic.
Here’s some links this morning to update the Cruz story:
He’s finding out that his friends from Princeton and the ladies he attempted to woo in his paisley housecoat weren’t that impressed, only remembering him as creepy. However, he as considered a stud muffin on the college debate circuit which is akin to being considered the smartest man in professional wrestling.
And …. his worst enemy is not the Democrats, but the GOP. Democrats are kinda liking this guy because there’s always the possibility that he’ll show up to debate Hillary Clinton wearing a paisley housecoat. That wuld be very cool.
Don’t he look like Il Duce, though? With perfect hair, of course.
1Fat neck…just sayin’…And do you notice that he generally tends to look at people from the opposite pose – with his chin down, looking under furrowed brows? Like this: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/30/gop_creates_ted_cruz_now_thinks_hes_a_jerk/
2From what I read a while ago, it still does not make him a “Natural Born Citizen.” Because his mother is American, he is an American Citizen, but not Naturally Born as required by the Constitution Article II, Section I. However, a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, can also be eligible to the Office of President.
Now I know that even though da Cruz’s ideologies predate the adoption of the Constitution, his Alberta, Canada birth certificate (short form is it?), says he was born too late! Just saying……
3Ooops spoke too soon! Sorry! Stuck my mouth over my hoof!
Decided to do little more research and found this little Act of 1790. Goody…this should make for an interesting 2016!
The Naturalization Act of 1790 stated that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”. (Act to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, 1st Congress, 2nd session, March 26, 1790, 1 Stat.L. 103 at 104, 2 Laws of the U.S., ed. Bioren & Duane (1815) 82 at 83.) This act was superseded by the Naturalization Act of 1795, which did not mention the phrase natural born citizen.
4This is going to be very very interesting.
5Oh well, our loss is Canada’s gain.
6Al in AZ — Thank you so much for making me less confused. I was stuck on the “natural born citizen” part and was wondering if Cruz thought he could get the Constitution amended before 2016. Obviously I’m remarkably ignorant at times, so I’m always happy to learn something. Thanks!
7There seems to be a four page form required by Canada to cut Carnival Cruz adrift. I want to see that puppy filled out. Cartwheels by Canadians are quite understandable.
8All of my Canadian cousins can breathe easier! And yes, TexasEllen, I wanna see that completed form as well. In very large font. No, make that “on a billboard.” I wouldn’t put anything past this guy.
9He was not “automatically” an American citizen because of his mother’s citizenship. Since he was born in a foreign country, his mother had the responsibility to declare his citizenship with proper authorities. It can be done retroactively, but if it has not been done, he is not, technically, an American citizen. This law changed in 2000, but it was not retroactive, so, he was simply entitled to claim his citizenship, it wasn’t automatic.
The scary thing is that this guy purports to be such a “Constitutional scholar.”
10At some point his citizenship was asserted it seems – maybe True the Vote can check him out? And apparently if he was born by caesarean he’s out so we’ll need his mother’s medical records.
/Macbeth reference
11Blynn, I’m still confused (normal for me). Is Teddly a real citizen of the US of A, or a pretender?
12That birth certificate is faker than fake, and you know it…needs further investigation.
13I don’t know. The law changed in 2001 so that the citizenship conferred automatically to children under 18. It was not a retroactive law. The law was that the mother had to declare her child’s eligibility to proper authorities (consulate, etc.) and complete certain paperwork. If Cruz’s mother did not do that, he may still be eligible, but he wouldn’t officially be an American citizen until the appropriate paperwork is completed.
I don’t know what his status is, except that he’s a natural born Canadian citizen based on that birth certificate. 🙂
14OK, gang, here’s the drill: We need to show up at Cruz appearances with all manner of Canadian hardware: flags, Mountie hats, Molson Canadian beer cans (previously drained), and—most important of all—bilingual signs, just like Canada requires (“Bye, Bye, Ted!/Au Revoir, Cher Ted!”) to really hammer home the French angle for the freedom fries crowd. How about it?
15Citizen or not, prissy-britches remains my choice as Republican presidential nominee.
16Be a shame to go through all that trouble of renouncing the country of your birth over the delusion that it will keep you from ever becoming President.
That carnival Cruz ship has sailed, eh.
SomedayGirl: and Birnam wood is marching on Dunsinane.
“Lay on, Macduff, And damned be him that first cries ‘Hold, enough!'”
17I am willing to go to war with Canada to force them to keep Cruz.
18If Cruz was born by Caesarian,does that make him a side dish,an appetizer,a Roman or all of the above? This waste of space is gonna have more nationalities than the U.N. and we know what nutters think of the U.N.. Come to think of it,if he is determined to be a salad,should the CDC or FDA check him out for possible bacteria from raw egg?
19Just found out that Cuba has the same laws regarding children of citizens born abroad as the U.S. There’s a possibility that Cruz may have to renounce his Cuban citizenship next! LOL!
20I love this. Back in the Dark Ages I lived in Ontario for about 15 months. I had to report in at the consulate periodically because I was an “alien”. I always felt like I should have a scarf over my head and a bundle under each arm. But one day I came to my senses and found I was paying taxes in two countries and not able to vote in either one, so I came home. I wonder if Cruz owns any property or earns any benefits from Canada?
21I wonder if Ted ever signed up for selective service when he got his US drivers license? Or did he declare himself a Canadian citizen to get out of that?
Ted’s a Cuban-Canadian. He’s an illegal alien, oops, I mean an undocumented worker here. His Christian father bribed a Canadian official to get in the US.
Yep, Christian, criminal, pervert, undocumented worker, who wants to be POTUS.
Where do I donate a Paisley bath robe?
22Yup, Teddy the Cruz-er still has all sorts of things to straighten out. If he doesn’t cover every microspot of ground now, he may be out of a job period!! The question I wanna ask him is this: when he was born in Canada he was covered by their universal healthcare, just like my nieces were. How did he enjoy that and why does he insist on keeping folks here from enjoying the benefits of such healthcare? Draw yer own conclusions.
23I want to dispel the rumor that Ted Cruz is natural born. This is not now, never has been and never will be any evidence for there being anything natural about him.
If we don’t all appear at his performances of The Senator That Would Be President in Canadian artifacts, then I’ll easily be happy with us coming dressed in paisley bathrobes.
And, lastly, I’m still laughing at Kevin’s comment @18 that he’ll gladly go to war with Canada to force them to keep him.
24I really would like o know if he can claim Cuban Citizenship or if it is automatic because of his father. That would be a great Albatross to hang on him.
25I cannot image how Texas voted for a Canadian to be a senator!
Does anyone else (but me) think of the man (in the Munsters I think) who wore a dark cap and had a hook nose just like Cruz?
And I also wonder, since his father is Cuban and he was born
26overseas, is he also Cuban?
Carnival Cruz is going to have to wait for eight months for Canada to process his application to give up his canadian citizenship http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/20/us-usa-politics-cruz-canada-idUSBRE97J0S220130820
Senator Ted Cruz, who recently discovered that he is likely a Canadian, must win security clearance from Canada’s spy agency, fill in a four-page form and then wait up to eight months to sever his ties to America’s northern neighbor…..
A person giving up citizenship must be Canadian, prove they are or will become a citizen of another country, not live in Canada and not be a security threat. They must also explain in writing why they don’t want to be a Canadian any more.
A non-refundable C$100 ($96) fee is payable in advance.
“It’s very, very uncommon … I’ve been practicing 26 years and I don’t think I’ve ever seen anybody renounce it,” said Guidy Mamann, an immigration lawyer with Toronto law firm Mamann, Sandaluk & Kingwell.
27My Canadian cousins are happy. Me, not so much.
28So many citizenships to denounce, so little time.
29Oh, I like the fact that TeddyCakes could also be a Cubano. That oughtta give his rabid supporters pause….. LMFAO.
30So now the Cruzer is claiming that his Canadian citizenship was no big deal to begin with and that everyone is making something out of nothing. Does Mr. Sensitive realize how that is going over on both sides of the border? Hell, no! Thats what self-absorption does. It immunizes. The State Department should be looking into this let alone the Attorney General. There have been cases where an immigrant couple arrive in the U.S. with a baby. Mom and Pop become citizens but when the kid reaches majority there is a definite lack of proof that he in particular was ever citizenized. Don’t bet on Mama Cruz’s American birthplace to have that much magic to it. He wasn’t born in a military hospital or any other place that would automatically qualify as American soil abroad. Mama really should have gone to the nearest consulate after Tedster popped and attended to the details. Just sayin’ . . .
31Cruz is going to have a hard time documenting that he is a US citizen. Cruz may have difficulty withdrawing or renouncing his Canadian citizenship and evidently has not yet filed his application with Canada
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/20/ted_cruzs_origins_continue_to_haunt_him/
There is one section, however, that could cause Cruz some trouble, and perhaps that is the reason for his delay. Question 5 instructs the applicant to “attach proof” that he is (or will become) a citizen of a country other than Canada. That may seem like it is none of Canada’s business, but in fact the requirement follows from important principles of international law – including the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights – which call upon governments to protect individuals from becoming stateless. …
The only sure-fire evidence, therefore, would be his mother’s birth certificate, presumably issued when she was born in Delaware.
But even that presents a problem. Only one of Ted’s parents was a citizen when he was born (his father is a Cuban émigré who did not take U.S. citizenship until 2005), and he therefore falls under a special section of the Immigration and Nationality Act that applies to “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent.” Under that provision, Cruz only qualifies for American citizenship if his mother was “physically present” in the United States for 10 years prior to his birth, five of which had to be after she reached the age of 14. The only definitive way to prove Eleanor Cruz’s 10 years of physical presence would be with documents such as leases, school registration, utility bills or tax records.
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