Really?
Republicans are doing the sexy talk again.
Catherine Hanaway is running for governor of Missouri. She knows all about what’s wrong with America: hoochy koochy.
Hanaway – as noted Tuesday by Salon – said that it is the culture of “sexual permissiveness” led by Democrats that is the real “war on women,” not conservatives who support anti-abortion policies.
“Their culture of permissiveness towards sexual activity is the real war on women,” she said, claiming that it has “led to record levels of out of wedlock births,” “impoverished women,” and child pornography.
Led by Democrats? Really.
She does know that the Republican Party is the party of Mark Sanford, Mike Duvall, John Ensign, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, David Vitter, Vito Fossella, Mark Souder, Vance McAllister, Chris Lee and I could go on and on.
Thanks to chloe bear for the heads up.
“led to record levels of out of wedlock births,” “impoverished women,” and child pornography.
Someone should point her towards the various data maps showing that these things are true in mostly red states.
1Culture of permissiveness as opposed to culture of repression?
I’m a wounded veteran of the sexual revolution and I would hate to think we fought that war in vain!
2So the “culture of permissiveness” is messing up women. Does she think that’s because women are throwing their panties to the sky, or because men are chasing women and managing to catch them? (See glf’s list.)
And we wouldn’t have nearly so many out-of-wedlock births if her party would cooperate in making birth control knowledge and methods easy to get, instead of much harder.
Oops! Forgot. The point is to punish women for having sex.
3There is a special place in hell for women……
who attack other women.
4And this will be just one more thing she will not discuss at press conferences! With her luck and her natural ability to insert foot in mouth, eventually she won’t be able to discuss diddly!
5I kinda agree with her about the sexual permissiveness part but don’t think the Democrats have a corner on it. It’s just more about that women shouldn’t be blamed unduly for things that happen and also involve men who would kinda like to be forgotten while the women go off and try to survive without the men’s help. THAT is wrong. Tell the old football captains to come out of the woodwork and help take care of their babies and the women who bore them. Rant rant.
6It would be fun to research which of those famous GOPers are pornographers. Nemmine, I gots other stuff to do.
7If she thinks there is a War on Woman, once again we can look to the 1960’s for a solution, or at least a bumper sticker:
Make Love, Not War
8There is SO much wrong here. This is something that I actually follow to some degree, so I am slightly familiar with the statistics.
First and foremost, the notion that anti-abortion policies would lead to lower out-of-wedlock births is obviously just silly. The more you force women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term the greater the number of out-of-wedlock births.
Duh.
There has been a huge increase in out-of-wedlock births since the ’60s, but this has much to do with giving women more options. Such as being able to have an independent financial life (into the ’60s and I think even ’70’s in a few places, women couldn’t have their own bank accounts, or own property, or obtain credit).
Concurrent with the financial independence of women was the rise in divorce. Because women were financially independent, they no longer had to stay in a bad/abusive marriage for basic financial needs. You know, food and such.
We also have the War on Drugs which has ravaged communities and helped lead to very high out-of-wedlock births among African Americans and Hispanics. When 1/5 to 1/3 of men in a community are sent away on drug charges, it disrupts the family structure. Repubs and Dems are both to blame for this. But it isn’t about the “Liberal war on women” or “permissive sexuality.”
And really, I’m not sure what exactly is “permissive sexuality.” Both of my parents were conceived but not born out-of-wedlock, as was my older sister. As were two of my four grandparents. And who knows how many before.
There is a saying around East Texas that “the first baby takes as long as it takes, the rest take nine months.”
Seriously, it isn’t as if people just discovered sex because of Democrats. We have just given women more options than getting married when they shouldn’t.
Which is a good thing.
And I’m not even sure how any of this leads to more child pornography??? Maybe Ms. Hanaway knows something I don’t and all those raised-on-abstinence-only-sex-ed, teenaged, red-state, Fundamentalist, meth-addicted mothers are pimping out their kids to pay for drugs? Could be, I guess, but I doubt it.
9She calls herself a Christian? Doesn’t judge much huh? Before you look a dems maybe she should look at her own party and her red states where the higher rates of unwed children birth and handouts.
10I cannot begin to explain the relief I feel at no longer living in that state (of “Misery”).
I continue to be amazed – and stunned – at the levels to which Missouri politics can sink. And it just keeps on happening!
So very glad to be elsewhere!
11“Their culture of permissiveness towards sexual activity is the real war on women.”
Spoken by someone who I suspect ain’t gettin’ any. If you get my meaning.
12I absolutely agree with Catherine Hanaway on the n red to restrict sexual permissiveness. I will never permit myself to have sex with her!
13Not even with a flag or a bag over her face.
14This idiot accidentally made one (but, of course, missed) salient point, and that is the correlation between poverty and “out-of-wedlock” births.
Accidentally is the only way the GOP tells the truth, anyway, and they usually miss it.
Poverty leads to more out-of-wedlock births, not vice versa. And, interestingly, teen births (mother 15-19) which are overwhelmingly out-of-wedlock, have declined for the last 25 years, from 61.8 births/100 down to 26.6/1000 in 2013.
Black and Hispanic teen birth rates are down to the levels now, roughly, that white teen births were in 1990.
What has happened? Better education, especially about birth control, thank you permissive Democrats.
Where is it worse? In the red states, thank you idiotic Republicans.
What is the overall out-of-wedlock birth rate of women 15-44 in America? Around 40/1000, which is the same for hispanic and black teens alone.
When did the overall out-of-wedlock birthrate do since 1990? It stayed steady (while teen rates dropped) until the tech bubble burst, and then under the rocky economic times under Bush. During that same time poverty has also skyrocketed, from 31 million Americans in 2001 to over 46 million after the 2009 recession.
Guess where poverty is worst. Did you guess red states? You’re right. The top 12 states in poverty are red states, and all but one of them are in the top 20 of out-of wedlock births.
Poverty causes our social ills, not the other way around.
15“She does know that the Republican Party is the party of Mark Sanford, Mike Duvall, John Ensign, Mark Foley, Larry Craig, David Vitter, Vito Fossella, Mark Souder, Vance McAllister, Chris Lee and I could go on and on.”
But these are all men. Men are allowed sexual permissiveness. It’s the women you have to keep pure.
16Voted Dem. my entire adult life; my children were born well after I took my marriage vows;and I’ve been single (and sex free) for years. My grown children are college grads (with Honors),have no kids,and also vote Dem. How does this idiot explain that? Maybe she should discuss this with the epitome of fabulous Republican family values,Sarah Palin,her devoted husband,and the class act kids they have….Oops,guess that’s be a no go show,right?
17“Teenagers accounted for
just 23% of nonmarital births
in 2007, down steeply from
50% in 1970.”
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.pdf
18Wonderful discussion. Tired of ultra conservatives trying to ban birth control. Dumb. And lots of times there aren’t good solutions. People have to figure out their own solutions. I could go on for awhile but y’all done did a great job on it.
Aside: if you take the STATESMAN, check out Abbott’s latest brainstorm on front page.
19Ancient Chinese fill ossy fur Confuse Us says-wingnut dingbat no dazzle with brilliance,just baffle with B.S. I heartily concur.
20Yowza she’s a purty thing!
21Baarrf, I coulda done without seeing Hanaway’s picture.
One of (just one) of the secshuleepermisiv Repukes missing from what could be an endless list is ol’ oxy&viagra-fueled Rush (3 or 4 wives and DR temps–secs unknown) Limpballs.
Hmmm, they’re both Missourians, both hideously uglee, and a match made in Hades?
Those two (+) are perfect for each other, a lasting union for sure. Might be worth doing some genetic testing first though, from appearances, they could be kin (but then that’s probably not a problem…).
(I just watched “Prof. Peabody’s Last Lecture” early this morning, what a hoot, a perfect metaphor and he ends up handsomer than either of those two)
22Republicans can’t help themselves. They slip into the “holier-than-thou” routine automatically. She obviously hasn’t got her facts straight, but then they never do. Liberals are responsible for just about everything that’s gone wrong with society. This is their mantra and they won’t let facts get in the way.
23Honey, when you and your ilk support the Equal Pay for Women, then maybe you can open your uninformed mouth. Until then, keep your politicrap to yourself.
Is there really a need to insult her appearance when the real problem is what in her heart and mind????
24Umpty, as long as tequila exists, never say never.
25But she does have a point about permissive Democratic Presidents named Clinton….
26@Henry – I don’t care how much tequila she drinks … I still wouldn’t permit myself!
27Moreover, if I had to drink that much tequila to be willing, I would no longer be capable. Thank you Lord.
28As Rhea said, this is the point:
“The point is to punish women for having sex.”
29Christine wanna cracker? After all, she’s just a parrot, saying the same old lying junk that Repugnicans have used to divert attention from their misdeeds for decades.
30Her image still strikes me as looking like the actress in the Good Witch series, who also was a judgmental conservative and usually wrong in her thinking. Too bad there is no Good Witch handy to help head her off at the pass and nourish her good qualities.
31Does it ever occur to her that all these women are having sex with men? And that in our culture, sexual permissiveness is often considered a plus for men–it makes them all studly and macho.
It is downright weird that when blame for anything remotely sexual is spewed around it is always directed solely towards the women. And that started with Eve.
32I’ve thought for a while now that the religionists with this mindset are closet voyeurs hiding behind righteous indignation.
@LynnN – YES!! I despise and deplore the double standard. It’s offensive in so many ways.
33My father has four children. My mother two. My stepmother has two. My mothers husband has ten or 11. Neither male has taken much responsibility for any of them.
The males are womanizers, proud of themselves. My brothers comment (at age 15) about my fathers sexuality was that “A female dog in heat is more responsible in their choices than he is.” My brother had himself fixed after two children because he had my absent father’s inclinations.
Poverty is and was a big contributor to the problem of unwanted children. But since men are not held responsible for every “sacred sperm” (and giggle) called murderers for masturbating… (As we are heading toward putting women in jail for miscarriages because God is the biggest destroyer of womb life potential out there) they are the real problem.
http://myfox8.com/2013/06/07/man-fathers-22-children-with-13-women-cant-pay-child-support/
Just saying. My personal feeling and view is all problems (addictions and poverty) are relationshipal, we most likely would be happier as bonobo chimps using sex for every issue, if we could just get the birth control handled.
34I myself had four pregnancies, all ON birth control with my partner of 30 years. We had three children out of that.
I thank God every day that my (starting at 16) mother’s third tubal pregnancy rendered her sterile–she had so many sexual partners she would have had children constantly.
Gross and unsatisfying is how that seems to me, a very monogamous, happily matched, older woman. But my family of origin is very different (and poorer) than I am.
Ps. The upswing in poverty was directly related (as I believe feminism’s rise was-especially pay issues) to the adoption of “no-fault” divorcee, instituted by male legislature…again not wanting to be responsible for their children.
35Birth control pills started about the time I got out of college. But any birth control worked for us if I/we used it. We have four grown offspring. Issues like this are always complex and deal not only with biology but also with two people and their beliefs or lack thereof. I appreciate birth control and encourage anyone who is still of child bearing age to use it and to keep it legal.
36Miemaw For the win! “There is a special place in hell for women……
who attack other women.”
It’s the same phenomenon as other minorities who attack their own and ‘teh poor’ who vote against their own interests. If we could solve that riddle, we could hasten the demise of the Tricky Dicky Trickle Down failed Republican agenda.
In the FWIW department, minus the obvious st00pid and hate oozing from Catherine’s visage, she’d resemble Rosie O’Donnell to a significant extent.
What’s the old saying: “Rosie O’Grady and the Colonel’s lady are sisters under the skin.” Take it away, daChipster, Marge Wood, Micr and everyone!
37Their way of conceding the anti-choice movement is really about controlling women’s sexuality.
38Marge Wood, spot on, as it is all about choices, preferably intelligent choices. Many forms of birth control protect the health of a mother and her future offspring. Other forms of birth control protect the mother, child and all of society, as those methods prevent STDs. It couldn’t be simpler: education and choice.
That’s why many evangelicals, fundamentalists and and Libertarians are a danger to life as we know it. Consider please, Rand Paul; he’s vaccinated as are his children. Yet, he had the audacious st00pid to turn sane choice into a Libertarian st00pid argument aka Free Dumb.
New bumper sticker for when self-promoting grifters act to trade on fear: “Free to be Dumb, the GOP solution.”
39One other thing I remember telling our kids, the oldest of whom was born in 1967. “A fetus IS a person. This is not just a wart or an inconvenience.” See? I get hit coming and going. And I told our oldest grandson the other day while trying to be brief and profound (he’s 15), “Just keep your pants on.” I believe in birth control and in legal but infrequent abortions which should not just be used because folks can’t be bothered to use birth control. It’s difficult.
40Marge Wood, what you are stressing is the importance of informed decisions. Whether one believes life begins at conception or with the first breath, the medical fact is that abortion is a medical procedure. As such, there are risks and complications to be considered. A tonsillectomy might be considered a “simple” procedure, but not if one is the little girl or her family in CA; the case where the child went into a persistent vegetative state following a routine tonsillectomy.
For a variety of medical reasons, choosing birth control methods can be complicated, too. Thus, whatever our own personal reasons for and against might be, my ‘choice’ is that the decision and all options remain a matter of patient/doctor privilege.
Or, simply put wingnut legislators need not apply. Or, in the case of Run Paul, self-certified opticians should not be confused with OB-GYN specialists.
41Marge Wood, just saying– if your grandson is literal-minded, a boy can impregnate a girl without taking his pants off.
42Marge, I also feel that abortions should not just be used because folks can’t be bothered to use birth control. But I feel even more strongly that personal medical decisions should be made by a woman and her doctor(s) without the government stepping in.
I think it would be not only difficult but impossible to write any sort of law that would control a woman’s sexual and reproductive decisions without introducing politics.
The best solution would seem to be to make sure that women (and men) have contraceptives readily available and that they are trained and motivated to use them properly.
43Rhea, thank you for sparing me the indignity of posting some bad zipper jokes and the wrath of Mama. So yes, pants on or off is as effective as the swimming pool and first time sex for preventing pregnancy.
Being the son of a father and mother with two daughters, my education was pretty explicit. They didn’t expect me to be a saint, but respecting women and understanding the consequences of my actions were their first two rules.
44With my last child, I was at the Ob-Gyn office and I sat down to a woman who had basically the same birth control failures that I had had, except for one. My ex and I (as we were both young and at that time didn’t know the repercussions for tying off men) were in deep discussion about the “chop” and who would get it. From my family history, I wanted our children to be his only, since my experience is males drift off (usually right away–to sleep–lol) but he wanted me to have it since they do it right at delivery. After talking to the nice woman next to me I called him and told him that we were BOTH getting it, as her tubes had grown back together after her tubal. Pill failure, 2 IUD failures-shield and copper 7, and then to have your tubes grow back….it was a message from God. So that is how we handled making sure we had no more children than we wanted. I subsequently had an official foster child and two step children, so have nurtured 6 in house and have 4 more from my house being where the kids ran away from home to, because it was a safe place.
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