Practicing Pardons
Okay, so how do you give a pardon without giving a pardon but you know you need the practice in giving pardons?
Said Trump: “I’ll make a prediction — I think he is going to be just fine. But I won’t do it tonight because I don’t want to cause any controversy. But Sheriff Joe can feel good.”
Hey, ya gotta save something for that morning when something on the damn teevee hacks you off and you either gotta kill something or pardon something.
I’ve had mornings like that.
Is not a pardon saying your guilty? Can you pardon someone from a civil action? Would he have to pay the people he harmed?
1Joe may not die in jail, but in civil court. Do you know a lawyer you could ask?
“But I won’t do it tonight because I don’t want to cause any controversy.”
Sorry, that lit up the TILT sign and I’m having trouble processing anything else.
2@Rastybob
NOT an attorney, but I’ve read a bit on this pardon issue.
This former Sheriff ran afoul of a Federal Judge who eventually held the former Sheriff in criminal contempt. The contempt evolved from a civil action in which the Federal court ordered the Sheriff and his department to stop racial profiling suspects. The Sheriff refused. In my Texas experience, refusing the lawful order of a Court does not end well for the disobedient defendant.
3As Morning Joe said today (not a person I have ever quoted before): 45 ‘praises a convicted felon and denigrates a war hero who has brain cancer.’ There needs to be a new adjective that adequately describes his loathsomeness.
4Pardoning (if he can) a racist sheriff who defied the law and a court order by a federal judge. How could that go wrong? Nothing like the head of government saying that acting on “F*** the government” gets a big win.
5In normal times, Rhea, your question would probably be considered ironic, but these are anything but normal times. Over and again he-whom-I-shall-not-name has said or done something that a sane person would condemn, and call out, and do something about. And many sane people have been trying to do those things. But none of those sane people seem to have been Republicans. Which can only mean that not only is HWISNN himself insane, but that so are the entire Republican Party.
So Arpaio will get pardoned, sane people will cry, but nothing will happen. Again.
I believe I have mentioned this before: we are f#%&@ed. Royally.
6“I’ve had mornings like that.”
Hey, y’all not down here with JJ et moi, et al:
Friday through Monday mornings on the TX Gulf Coast are fixin’ to be some massive “mornings like that”, with (probably starting manana) Hurricane Harvey headed right this way. :[
Harvey’s not supposed to be all that Cat-ty (maybe a 1 or 2), but forecast is for up to 20″ of rain in some areas, so it’s going to get fishy.
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More rain towards Houston as it is modeled to make a turn to go over there approaching from the west, after making landfall around Rockport (URG!).
NHC and the local WFO’s just popped up the Tropical Storm and Hurricane warnings this afternoon for the TX coastal counties (watches had been in place before).
Corpus Christi WFO Tropical page:
7http://www.weather.gov/srh/tropical?office=crp#hti
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YEEEHHAAAA—-glub
BillR, “we are f#%&@ed. Royally.”.
Not “royally”, SOBOTUS Trump is not, and will never be, royal (no matter how much tacky goldplate they ooze around).
His granddaddy made the original family bucks in the gutter, daddy Fred cheated it up, and Donnei has hyper-scammed it from fools since.
And I’m no monarchist, it’s not my dog fight, but the Brits ought to dump theirs.
8Oh carp, screwed up ^^, only ‘watches’ locally so far, warnings are only out in the Gulf so far.
Likely that warnings go up Thursday afternoon.
“NHC and the local WFO’s just popped up the Tropical Storm and Hurricane [[delete ‘warnings’]] -watches- this afternoon”
9What few people understand about presidential pardons, is that for them to become legally effective, the person pardoned has to 1) file a full confession to guilt, and 2) has to answer any question put to him by a court of law about his crime.
This would make Joe Arpaio vulnerable to lawsuits by his victims, because he would have to confess to having engaged in defiance of the court order, meaning that he had continued to violate the civil rights of the good people of Maricopa County. Note that he’s protected from the conviction – having defied a court order – but he’s NOT protected from the consequences of the acts that brought on the court order in the first place.
And, if he is called to testify in a court in which he is being sued, he HAS to testify. He can’t plead the fifth, because he’s already waived that right in signing the papers when accepting his pardon.
If I were Joe Arpaio, I’d be very reluctant to accept a presidential pardon. It could make him vulnerable to a whole lot of financial liability it would be hard for him to escape.
10Sandridge, I stand corrected. We are f#%&@ed bigly.
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