Phew! That’s a Relief. I Thought He Was Going To Eat Them.
John Kelly, who often refers to himself as “the adult in the room,” was answering NPR’s questions about separating mothers from their children when they come to American seeking political asylum.
Interviewer: Family separation stands as a pretty tough deterrent.
Kelly: It could be a tough deterrent — would be a tough deterrent. A much faster turnaround on asylum seekers.
Interviewer: Even though people say that’s cruel and heartless to take a mother away from her children?
Kelly: I wouldn’t put it quite that way. The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever.
Sumbitch.
A petty, ignorant, vile S.O.B. Kelly seems to be taking a isis playbook tactic sans the beheadings and bullets. Kids shouldn’t be used as political hostages.
A child has done nothing wrong just because it’s parents have requested asylum.
At the rate erosion of ours courts and rights happening here, US citizens may be seeking asylum for themselves in the future.
1Maybe Kelly started out as the adult in the room, but he assimilated very rapidly. He now sounds, and acts, a whole lot like his spoiled toddler boss
2Hey, they only lost 1500 of the brats since Dingo Donnei took over as Dear Leader (yeah, lost, mislaid, lost track of, maybe the fosters sold them, eh? WhoTF knows?).
Don’t know the percentage figure, but I’d guess it’s pretty high. If 1500 misplaced kids were 10%, there’d have to be 15,000 detained, which seems pretty damned high to me. So the ‘lost kid’ percentage is probably a pretty big number, somewhat higher than 10%.
Would y’all put your kids in a daycare that lost 10-25% of their rugrats in a year?
3A chilling thought from history:
Children being separated from their mothers in the camps of 1930s Germany.
Kelly is a racist enabler of Trump and the GOP.
4Kelly pointedly says that immigrants cannot assimilate while blaming their ‘rural origins’
Curious minds like to know. That mindset motivated people to dig down into Kelly’s immigrant ancestry…from rural Italy: “John DeMarco, the fruit peddler, still didn’t speak English after more than a decade in the country.
His wife Crescenza – Kelly’s great-grandmother – lived in the United States for more than 30 years without learning the language. https://tinyurl.com/ycepkgcw
5I approve of all of the above comments.
Here is an idea I’ve been mulling for a few months, which will take a lawyer with experience I don’t have, to address: What would be the effect of American Citizens adopting the children and the adult parents of those children who face deportation at the hands of Glorious Leader and his dumb shit enablers? More precisely, if adopted either as children or as adults, would the fact of adoption — which would make the adopted minors and adults the children of the American Citizens who adopted them–render deportation illegal or less likely?
6Sandridge, I will appreciate it if you will clarify your remarks. Especially those about lost kids. If there is a somewhere to “lose” those kids so well concealed that the Facists ass holes in the WH can’t find them, we should knno about it, for future reference.
7He’s the same old John Kelly as when he ran DHS. His hand picked successor Kirstjen Nielsen was the stable genius who during her confirmation hearing couldn’t estimate the % of white people in Norway. Probably lesser inclined to reveal their true attitude that anything less than 100% white is unacceptable.
8Kelly has lost all regard for human rights if he defends this indefensible practice. What more basic right is there than keeping the family intact? What drips from his voice is the
9arrogance which presumes that only American families have this right, certainly not the people who come in here in desperation to find safety and peace for theirs. Stealing children is a crime against humanity which should be brought before the United Nations. It does feel as if we are re-living the Third Reich.
Stupid sob.
We fostered kids from birth through 16 yo. As much as we cared for everyone one of them, the older ones would have preferred to be with their own families. Every damn day the goal was to get their families back together.
10George in Lee County,
This topic was recently a BFD over on Daily Kos (and elsewhere I presume), I didn’t follow it closely, just remember seeing a number of headlines and stories about it there.
That “1500 missing kids” number appears to go back to long before Dingo Donnei occupied the WH and up to today, so I need to correct that.
I’ve spent some time ‘searching’ the DK website but only turned up this ref below.
I never have much luck using the DK search function, don’t know if it’s me or their website (I go back online a very long time, and I was used to using ‘Boolean functions, etc.’ (used in various forms of programming even before ‘search’) which most ‘searches’ today don’t seem to use, everything seems to have been dumbed down).
In the article below my opinions are more like those of a commenter there, ID= ‘Randy Erb’, as I am always to the right of most of y’all on the topics of ‘borders/immigration/gunz’.
I lived much of my life ON the border/La Frontera (and am still pretty close), few of y’all see or understand the reality of it. I knew people on all sides, enforcement and illegals and in between (green card holders, etc). A pretty good TV program about it all, today, is “Border Wars”, hell, I watched the BP mounted teams in action up close, cool. (I’ve been watching another series lately- “Parking Wars”, what a hoot!):
One DK reference story that briefly mentions the 1500 kids missing, there were several others recently that I can’t find:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/5/8/1762819/-Sessions-formally-announces-the-administration-will-be-ripping-migrant-kids-from-their-parents-arms
“About that—earlier this month, officials from HHS said they have no idea what has happened to 1,500 migrant children they placed with U.S. sponsors after they arrived to the border unaccompanied. “You are the worst foster parents in the world,” blasted Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND). “You don’t even know where they are.””
11Someone, possibly multiple someone, are sending us smoke signals from inside WH. It has been reported that Kirsten Nielsen tripped Donnie’s internal launch code by citing law as to why DHS has not achieved Donnie’s goals of deportation of people perceived to be Hispanic. Laws; those pesky little nuisances. Now with his latest pronouncement Jackazz Kelly is in flagrant disregard of our laws, international law and every scrap of the UCMJ that annoys him. Nightmare scenario: Kelly back to head DHS.
Wait for it. Ollie North to head the NRA. Another link to hell somewhere in that. WTH Why not reward one of the Iran-Contra scandal guys who are at the root of conditions south of the border that create the need for people to seek asylum.
Hey Donnie, if you don’t like people seeking asylum approaching our border through Mexico ask your New Secretary of Distaste Pompeo why your Embassies, Consulates, and Diplomatic Missions in the affected areas are not doing their job of processing asylum seekers.
12Aside the fact that this it the most deplorable thing to do to children. I’m wondering, where are they getting the monies to pay these foster parents for the care of these new foster kids?
13Sandridge, thank you. I grew up in San Antonio, spend as much time as possible, not enough, in Far West Texas.
I hope someone will address my scheme to adopt adult and minor children who might be deported by the fucking nazis who are now in power. What are the problems with my scheme?
14To Donald Trump, John Kelly, et al:
May your families enjoy a Happy Foster Care or Whatever Day tomorrow.
15What nazis in the WH are proposing is nothing less than kidnapping, a total felony. It smacks of separating slave parents from their kids as they are sold off individually to god knows who from god knows where. It smacks of what happened in the Nazi camps. It smacks of what happened in England when destitute families were separated in workhouses and the number of anonymous graves at the site grew exponentially. Charles Dickens did his best through his writing to slap some sense into the Brits. Do not let that last savagery. Salon patrons, DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN HERE AND NOW AND FURTHERMORE, NEVER.
16George in Lee County to adopt is a sweet & noble idea, but one fraught with problems. As with many good intentions this can be perverted by those with evil intentions. American adoptions have necessitated many countries imposing age restriction laws because of those who “adopt” in name only to procure servants, a too polite name for slavery. So adult “adoption” is prohibited by many countries along with other age restrictions.
In the particular instance of families seeking asylum it begs the central issue of breaking up intact families. While adoption might provide a short term end round Dotard45 policy, we are better served to fight this with existing national and international laws. What Donnie, Kelly and the racists want as policy is both illegal and immoral.
17Sandridge: here is a link to a web search of “1500 missing kids” which has a list of results on the topic. Will peruse them in a few minutes to see what’s in discussion…am in midst of Stormy’s lawyer taunting Trump/Giuliani with photos of Cohen & Flynn at Trump Tower pow wow with transition team. …deep diving that day in news to follow the bread crumbs.
18https://tinyurl.com/y845bjso
About your headline, Ms. JuanitaJean herownself, maybe John Kelly doesn’t plan to personally dine on children. But is there any evidence he doesn’t intend to feed those innocents to Betsy DeVos?
19Ms. Jean, they *are* going to chew them up and spit them out.
They are going to traumatize and make an example of them because they can’t figure out a better way to keep them out…
20Sandridge: incidentally bumped into another discussion about the missing kids. PBS Frontline did a report: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/hhs-official-says-agency-lost-track-of-nearly-1500-unaccompanied-minors/
21Yes, Maggie, and more recently the Nazis kidnaped children who “looked Aryan” and gave them to German couples to raise. There are still elderly people in Germany trying to find their birth families in Poland, Lithuania and elsewhere. To thugs like trump and Kelly, other people’s kids are commodities, not human beings.
22Maggie speaks truth!
Am one of those ‘elderly’ who born in Vienna that was sold off by the Catholic Church who refused to reunite us with our families blocks away from where we were interned by Russia in Austria after the war….up to 1955. I did – at great expense on many levels – get reunited with some family members in my mid-30’s.
Russia was collecting the young ‘chosen ones’ to send to the USSR to repopulate and breed as needed. Alas, Austria paid Russia to leave the occupied area and abandoned thousands of us kids in a camp. The Nuns saw us as $$ to send the Vatican to buy sainthood. Adopted parents never let me forget ‘you were more expensive than the price of a house!”
PS: Austria had to pay to get the US out of their occupied zone; at the signing — the US refused to sign the dotted line unless Austria gave them the oil rights for perpetuity. To this day, Austrians ration heat and lighting their homes because they have to buy it back from US business men. (like Iranians were forced to do).
23If adoption isn’t really the answer, what about “parole”? This is such an old idea that even the Romans used it and so did the Brits. They were the ones who brought the concept to these shores. But once again those acting as “parole” officers have to be thoroughly vetted. As for the 1,500 “lost” kids, it kinda sorta goes like this: there is so damn much paperwork that the “papers” get lost in the shuffle. Immigration courts churn slowly but then most courts are not known for speed. The paper shuffling takes so long that the family members who have charge of the unaccompanied child could have moved or worse yet have been overtaken by events such as illness and even death. Even if the family member informs the court, by the time the court gets around to the hearing stage, the child can no longer be a legal child but an adult. It is am exhausting (mentally, spiritually, physically) situation that takes the stuffing out of people.
24Maggie, good suggestions. But something (if they cared) on which the Dotard45 maladministration should focus would be why those seeking asylum are forced to take dangerous journeys to our border and why their cases are not adequately addressed locally at US embassies, consulates and satellite services. Answer that one Donnie, or at least ask one of your stable geniuses to investigate and address the question.
25The 1500 missing kids probably went well with a nice Chianti and some fava beans.
26Hey Donnie another question you’ve failed to answer in the “who is an American” discussion. Not only have you declared war on our DACA citizens, you and your maladministration have totally dissed our Temporary Protected Status (TPS) citizens and for indecent measure thwart our laws and international law as regards asylum seekers. Obviously you and Kelly have no regard for home or the law. As with our DACA citizens, our TPS citizens have made the US their home after 18+ years. We have a moral responsibility, not because of ‘simply’ natural disasters that forced them to take refuge here, but disastrous foreign policy decisions causing their initial refuge status. Maybe I can take the concept of moral responsibility down to a level to which you can equate: Panama threw your grifting Drumpf assets out. How would you like it if Florida were to treat your presence as unwelcome because frankly you REEK as a citizen. We’re all immigrants with few exceptions, but home & family are where we go to school and live after a period of time. So while some of us consider ourselves third+ and whatever generation of American, most of our DACA and TPS citizens by length of time calling America home are also citizens, whatever their paperwork states or you and Kelly “think.” That’s the reality and moral part of the equation.
Then, there’s the snacilbupeR consideration, fiscal conservatism. These citizens pay taxes. They and their children have been educated here, own business & homes making them as invested in us as we are in them. Donnie even in your rancid down the escalator run for office speech you admitted “some of them may even be good people.” So seriously why are you and Kelly so hellbent on deporting our best and brightest. There was a time Cadet Bone Spurs when you took it upon yourself to consider yourself among the “best and brightest” as a FIVE time excuse to avoid service to our country. You were wrong, so either self deport and take Messy with you or grab some reality and be the citizen our DACA and TPS citizens have proven to be, while welcoming asylum seekers as is both the law and our tradition. We’d ask you to act presidential, too, but failed reality ‘star’ that you are, your acting will never rise to the level Stormy Daniels achieved. She is real, while you are the fake news, Dotard.
27Let’s put Kelly’s children/grandchildren in “foster care, whatever” and see how that works out.
The bastard.
28Debbo, I was thinking along much the same lines. The people offering and supporting this “idea” don’t seem to have any under-age children (like Kelly, Trump, Pence et al.). That may be where the worst of this idea lies.
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