I See a Rainbow
I see the edges of a rainbow this morning. Maybe, just maybe, we can win a race against a Nazi in the White House who is robbing us blind and killing everybody he can.
I do know one damn thing – if you think the leadership of the national Democratic Party should not be told to pack their bags and go home you should find a new beauty salon to hang out at.
It is time to hand the reins over to a new generation of Americans. No, it’s long past time.
So far, on as little sleep as possible, I am proud of the media for keeping Trump’s wild ravings and threats off the airways.
And lastly, I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans.
I’m going back to bed for a few hours.
Agreed.
1I don’t know if my hopes are futile or not as I don’t know which states have Senate races running this year, but – – –
Does anyone know if those states that didn’t open their mail-ins till this morning had R seats available for the taking?
Even if Biden wins, with Mitch holding the majority in his iron grip, nothing but nothing will happen.
2And if Trump AND a Senate majority happen, America commits hara-kiri.
And that’s to say nothing of what’s coming to Western Europe.
50 percent of voters voted for Trump. This to says nothing good about our citizens who voted for a racist, a bigot, sexist glass bowl and a criminal who intends to be our first dictator for life with the help of the GOP. Democrats had more than enough money for their campaign. Their messaging was flawed. I can’t see them doing better than this unless they can offer REAL constructive, just, and helpful change to people. I just hope that Biden makes the 270.
3Not sure what the margin was in Florida, but read 27% of mail in ballots didn’t get past the usps. This after all the pictures of them piled up in their warehouses and a court order. Florida, florida, efing florida. DeJoy better hope Trumpf wins.
4Either way this shakes out it is time to come together and work on this as a party. We had so many promising candidates in the last round and we came up with Biden. I’m not sure if Kamala is the future or not. Pete sure seemed to look good give it to Fox viewers.
I don’t have a crystal ball and I’m not the smartest person in the room, so I don’t know if progressive is the way to go or not. I think that would energize the base, but also piss off the independents. We are way too fractured.
5As fenway fran said. Agreed.
6Sleep well. We will do the most important job this cycle: send His Heinous packing and straight into a world of legal troubles. There’s not a more deserving person.
7For me the most disappointing and disturbing fact is that 4 yrs ago, our fellow Americans who voted for trump did not know what they will get. This time they did know more than well but still voted for him.
8Agree with FrauFree@8. How can you look at the past four years and say, let’s do more of this! I do think Biden ran an excellent campaign. He wasn’t my first choice either, but his campaign really came together & had a good message. Unfortunately half the country is just nuts. Plus, USPS and other forms of voter suppression
9USPS failed to deliver 27 percent of mail-in ballots in South Florida: report – Raw Story
According to data released on Wednesday, the United States Postal Service failed to deliver thousands of absentee ballots around the country before the cut-off times — and one of the worst failures occurred in South Florida, where 27 percent of mail-in votes may have never been received.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/usps-failed-to-deliver-27-percent-of-mail-in-ballots-in-south-florida-report/
10Just curious: did anybody besides me had an impression yesterday that trump was actually quite nervous when declaring his “victory”, not his usual arrogance/stupidity driven self? That he really hoped to win “bigly”, and it was kind of the moment of seeing the light, in the sense that he might actually lose?
Another question. Let,s say Biden wins (he just HAS to) due the totally legal process (vote counting after election night) – is there really a possibility that SCOTUS will just go and hand presidency to trump? Would they (I mean conservative justices) really dear?
11Pardon – not “dear”, but “dare”.
12We need to fight for our wins as determinedly as the Rs do. While I’d be glad to see the back of Schumer, Pelosi and Clyburn have been doing great under horrible conditions. Proud that these are some of the people fighting for me.
13Reminder: It’s not over till the fat *lady* sings…
14i’m ready to start singing “jail to the chief”!!!
15“I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans.”
At least the ones who voted Drumpf once or twice.
16Hair Fuhrer got more popular votes this time than last time. And that’s after four years of people knowing exactly who he is, unlike 2016 when they told themselves “Eh, what the hell. I’ll take a chance.” What does that tell us about America?
17The national democratic party has been snookered by the Republicans except when Howard Dean was there
And who the hell got a woman who confessed out loud that she did not vote for Obama to be a candidate against Cornyn? West would have had a far better chance.
I gave up on the state and the national leadership years ago.
18I also have been fed up with the national Democratic party for a long time. However, I cannot fathom how anything from a 7 to 11 point national polling lead from Sunday could vaporize so quickly. Was the messaging wrong or did they spend too many resources in unwinnable races with a hand picked candidate like Amy McGrath? Still, getting back to the polls, it seems that polls were very reliable (within 1-2 points) prior to the widespread adoption of electronic voting machines. It has been proven that these machines can be easily compromised whether it be by hackers, local election officials or voting machine manufacturers installing “software updates” to the machines up to a few hours before the election starts. This short window makes it very difficult to detect a piece of code that can flip a few thousand votes here and another few thousand there which nobody is going to detect. Code like this can delete itself after it has done its dirty work. And as for paper ballot backups, those can be hacked as well. What this country requires is a national voting standard, not a system fraught with the potential of subverting the will of the people. There is no way in hell that corporations should be running our elections. We need a party that can fight for fair elections, not one that gets steamrolled or acquiesces with the powers that be.
19Sing it sister! To wake up and find that hand picked Dem. candidates fell by the wayside was too much. It’s bad enough to feel like I’m in some type of vampire movie where people want another four years of being lied to, cheated on, tax money stolen and a quarter million of us murdered, but his appeaser, Cornyn, will go back. And since Texas didn’t take the state house we’re screwed for another good ten years. My Congresswoman Lizzie Fletcher made it back in – barely.
20Agreed. I still have hope, but the popular vote margin gives me depression. How can I trust to do business with people who voted for the most dishonest, corrupt, immoral man to ever hold public office? That they chose those values means they are more likely to cheat me than not.
21Mark @ 18,
May I add, the EC needs to be abolished. Each citizen’s vote should elect the president. The EC, who’s members remain anonymous to us, can be influenced by money, blackmail, etc. There are people out there who refuse to vote because they know their vote won’t count, that only the votes of the EC elects the POTUS.
22I’m curious…
Is there anyone who voted Hillary in 2016 and Trump in 2020? I’m sure not here in the salon, but I have to wonder…
23Malarkey @ 21,
No, I’ve always voted a straight Democrat ticket.
24check out Rachel Bitecofer: https://thecycle.news/ She’s posted some interesting theories on twitter @RachelBitecofer regarding how/why Dems need to change tactics to offset the well establish R tendency to use dirty tactics. hoping Dems will contact her for some guidance for the 2022 election cycle.
25I’ve always said the EC gives more weight to the amount of dirt between voters rather than the actual number of voters. It needs to be abolished.
26It ain’t my job to excuse Trump or his deluded fools, but don’t you think the burning small businesses and rioting have anything to do with the national mood? How about cancel culture and well-publicized rioting at universities where the “wrong” people are invited to speak?
Maybe offended normal people snap back at the ballot box?
Are you aware of First Amendment Auditing, where pairs of scruffy people carry big video cameras into public places and argue with police and security guards about where they can record people? There are dozens of video on YouTube of this…
IT ALL ADDS UP!
27Papa @ 22,
I completely agree with your point on the EC whose origin stems of course from slavery. NPR’s podcast Throughline has an episode on the history of the EC recorded on October 15. I highly recommend it.
28In 2020 (so far 11/4) almost 5 million more people voted FOR 45 after a track record of 4 years than voted for him in 2016 as a “non-politician” reality show “businessman.” Over 67 million Americans approve of that man now enough to vote for him in 2020? That is quite a phenomenon to ponder.
291968 all over again. Trashing 7-11’s and looting booze stores ain’t the way to get shopkeepers and the blue collar working class to vote Democrat. Mussolini ,Nixon, @ Trump. Three parts of 4 of a kind. Gee, who did l miss from the ‘30s.
30Plenty of opportunists on the right and the left who are only looking for trouble. Let’s not overlook a president who spent 5 years cultivating hate and division and in the end, chaos. That was by design, and too many people fell for it. Hope we can hit pause on the chaos but that will only happen if Trumpf is not re-elected.
31Understood the division and anger will remain, but the daily presidential incitement will pause. If not, the current situation will only intensify.
We’re very disappointed with NV and disappointed for Texas. Two, count them two counties for Biden/Harris. Washoe and Clark. Clark county being mostly Las Vegas and the numbers should give the state to Biden/Harris. Washoe County where we’re at the northern tip also includes Reno/Sparks and more numbers. Unfortunately we’re in Washoe Co also that western sliver of District 2, so the MOs east of us screwed us with Amodei. Weird that south of us in Douglas Co where they should be better educated did not go D; that’s our state capitol Carson City and the NV share of Lake Tahoe.
Furious, disgusted, and disappointed. But relieved that Biden/Harris have the path to 270. Should not have been this close, then again 2016 should not have ___. Would of, could of, should of, we’re having serious doubts about half the electorate ever regaining their sanity.
Ms. JJ still digesting our numbers. Not easy going with the urge to regurgitate. Expect Texas is having similar pains along county and districts lines.
32Waiting for Trump campaign suing for using sharpies:
33“Election officials in Arizona are tamping down viral claims online that voters who used Sharpie pens on their ballots wouldn’t have their votes counted.”
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-results-and-news-11-04-20/h_1156a6fda21a00e5a46f8eb5bb341939
Michigan has been called for Biden by the almighty AP [others had called it earlier]. Despite ongoing Rethug mob attacks on vote counting centers and spurious lawsuits.
This gives Biden 253 electoral votes, short 17 to the magic 270.
AZ, PA, NV, GA, NC all pending.
AZ, PA, NV should go to Joe, putting him over 300 EVs. GA is a possibility, not much hope for NC.
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34I’d like to unload an obscenity-laced barrage on ‘shithole ‘Murikans’, but I’ll hold off a while…
By my count, Michigan and NV put him right at 270. Guess it depends on which site you’re looking at. PA is a big??
35Lawsuits are a given, so courts may be more important than voters, again.
Ways left to win
Edit: Using live data and predictions from our Election Forecast, we’ve run 16 simulations showing how the remaining 4 competitive states could vote, and how the electoral math could shake out. (There are 0 ways the race could end in a tie.)
Joseph Biden ~15 ways ********** 1 way Covid Mary
Last updated Nov. 4, 6:17 p.m. EST https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/
36Malarkey: I don’t know any such person (voted for Hillary in ’16, voted for Trump in ’20) but a friend online told me about one…she doesn’t understand why the woman turned that way, but one clue may be religion.
Independents *aren’t*. They’re “I won’t vote for anybody that’s not MY unicorn.” They won’t work to get their own party competitive; they won’t accept that their unicorn can’t win; they won’t cooperate because independence from cooperating is more important than saving the country from hell.
I’m tired of the national Dem leadership too, but I’m also pissed at attacks on the candidates by their own side. When people start snarking about how awful their own candidate is, in a race as important as this and why it should’ve been the other guy, out in public…saying “We could win if only it had been Sacred Unicorn X,” they’re the ones helping to sink the ship.
IMO, those undelivered ballots are cause for lawsuits in every case because they are proof of voter fraud by one of the contenders. EVERY uncounted ballot is proof of voter fraud. Every vote must be counted.
37Steve from Beaverton @35,
NV hasn’t been called by anyone yet. Fox is the only one who has called AZ.
So the current consensus has Biden at 253, as I’ve outlined above. I’d like to be shown wrong, but all the news I’ve seen shows that number.
It seems the counting is continuing at various paces, and tomorrow morning will be the earliest chance of another state EV call [AZ, PA, NV, GA, NC].
So we’re going to be treading water a bit, while the Rethugs ratfuck everything in sight that they can hump their itty-bitty pindicks on.
I sure would like to see nail #270 driven into the Mango Mussolini’s coffin ASAP, but, we wait.
38RE: “if you think the leadership of the national Democratic Party should not be told to pack their bags and go home”
Politico quotes Dems saying November 3 was a “dumpster fire”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/04/dems-post-mortem-election-2020-434044
I love it when emotional folks go right by the finger-pointing and get right to the name-callin’. Sad otoh that it’s our national Dem “leadership”.
Does Howard Dean have a protege?
Would he be willing to hold “Being Your Own Howard Dean” classes?
Does anyone within the national Dem party know how to consistently beat Republicans?
39Seeing AZ both called for Biden [but lots of uncounted votes pending], 264EV; and also as still pending, 253EV. Sooo…
If AZ is solid for Biden, then just a NV win puts him at 270 for the win. Barring a blizzard of Rethug lawsuits [bad pun]. NV has announced that totals will be given tomorrow at 10AM.
Very good chances that a fair final tally in PA and GA will bump Joe to 306 EVs. Not quite a landslide, but an unassailable position.
If nothing goes wrong/gets f’ed up, Team Biden-Harris should be unofficially victorious by noon.
Trump’s Nazis will go ballistic shortly thereafter.
40AP has Biden/Harris @264
other* @214
Give us GA or NC or NV or PA, Biden/Harris win
41other* now required to sweep (ain’t happening) all 4 states remaining on the table
Ormond @ 27
“the burning small businesses and rioting” …
somehow, I would expect people to be more outraged by the premature deaths of thousands, the uncertain impact on covid-19 survivors (“long haulers”).
At a similar scale, I think 545 KNOWN children separated from their parents as a deterrent to asylum petitions or undocumented immigration, with thousands more separated from their parents for “only” 50 days is more heinous than the limited amount of burning and looting. Expecting children as young as 3 to “defend themselves” in immigration courts is ludicrous.
All snark aside … condition of the country at the end of Trump’s Sad!ministration is worse for so many, the thought of people supporting him continues to baffle me. Apparently, there truly is a fear and hatred of “the Other” which Trump was able to stoke.
42Sure, but apparently sympathy for the other doesn’t extend past the little fingers of the American masses who vote their tribe.
When Democrats realize this they might win a few elections.
They might also thereby crawl into the gutter with the pigs they’re wrasslin’. The pigs love it.
Maybe it’s 1914 again, all Balkanized and cowering in fear, ready to lash out to relieve the existential dread. Only now, it’s nukes.
43Maybe I’m just new/naive, but I think Stacey Abrams would make a fine DNC Chair.
44@Ormond Otvos
Apparently gerrymandering works, because the Dem potus candidate has won the popular vote in every election since 1992. But the electoral college or the gaming the electoral college prevented presidents Gore, Kerry, and Clinton.
45FrauFree @11, Noel Casler, who claims to know Trump well having been the family handler on CA, claims dear leader was, well let’s say, under the influence of some powerful white stuff for that victory speech. I dunno, I sure didn’t see it.
I did get a call from a daughter in PA who said we in CT should be smiling at our complete D sweep (again) of reps to help out our 2 D senators. Even our little town full of boisterous Trump flags went 2-1 for Biden. Not that I’m bragging or anything 🙂
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