Holy Crap: Middle Aged Mutant White Christians
Oh, y’all, that’s Plano, Texas, just north of Dallas.
They have come to oppose the city’s equal rights ordinance.
Religious and community leaders drew a crowd of more than 100 people as they called for an end to Plano’s Equal Rights Ordinance.
Last month the city council voted to add sexual orientation and gender status to Plano’s protected characteristics. Since then a growing movement to repeal the ordinance has been lobbying against it.
And they are serious as a teenager with a credit card.
This ordinance needs to be repealed. If it’s not repealed, then we’ll go to the courts, and we’ll spend and cause the city to incur tens of thousands of dollars,” said Jeff Mateer of the Liberty Institute.
Well, Honey, just cut off your nose to spite your mean face. Go on, get your taxes raised. That’s a dandy threat.
They say the ordinance outlaws “religious expression” in the workplace. Yeah, and it also work expression in the church place.
And, they have plans. Big plans.
“My ultimate hope is that the five people that voted for it including the mayor are ousted at the next election, and they put good Christian people in there that understand the effect of all this,” Routzahn said.
No, no, no, no. You cannot say “good Christian.” You cannot. Allowing discrimination is not Christian. In any way, shape, or form. The “effect of all of this” is that you should love one another.
Holy cow, people. Get a grip. Nobody is forcing anything on you except good manners.
As a gay man, I can assure them that they needn’t bother because no self-respecting gay person would want to be within two counties of that bunch of lovelies!
1Apparently the “Liberty Institute” stands for Only Those Exactly Like Us Are People.
Someone hand these clowns a Bible and have them read out the red-letter parts. They will hear not one word about gays, but plenty about being “good Christians” which they have not read.
2When I read this, I was thinking ‘just what version of Christian Sharia are they wanting to implement?’ Is it Baptist Sharia? Fundamentalist Sharia? Can’t be Catholic Sharia, since the Pope is making moves towards accepting gays…
And are these folks against interracial marriage as well? Given that image, I’d suspect they’d want the laws allowing blacks and whites to marry…
“The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love heterosexuals. It’s just that they need more supervision.”
3Larry Cross, rest assured that as a straight man, I would not want “to be within two counties of that bunch of lovelies!”
We, the caucus of the sentient, whatever our personal stripes, want nothing to do with fundamentalist crazies.
“Fundamentalist” – interesting word, as they are neither fundamental nor fun.
4PKM, I think the syllables you’re looking for are “mental.”
5Rhea, with one minor revision, I could go with definition #6 of “mental.”
6.Informal. slightly daft; out of one’s mind; crazy:
Need to scrub the “slightly.” Those folks are full out, unfettered daft.
Daft: definition and example #1 – Daffy Cruz, Jr.
6The stupid just burns! Such good christian attitudes these lily white people display. Their example of christianity is why I no longer support religion personally. I do not need, or want, some
“good Christian person” to tell me what I can and cannot do, believe, and say.
I support equal rights for ALL people, not just some people!
7Koch bros have threatened the city of Chicago with bankruptcy if Chicago doesn’t give in to demands about tarsands toxic by-products that cause lung disease and pollution. Big Awl is threatening Colorado cities with litigation that will bankrupt the cities if they don’t overturn their bans on fracking.
Capitalism-ain’t it great(if you are stinking rich)?
8Rhea has been on a tear lately! Nothing left to say but “Amen”
9I see the Joy of the Lord written all over their good Christian faces.
10Funny how all these self-styled Christians get all their justifications out of the OLD Testament instead of the New.
11Please, good people, don’t confuse the messengers with the message. Of course, this presumes having a reasonable knowledge of the message.
12I may have made this point in an earlier thread. So, I’m old.
Being surrounded by evangelical christianists, who coincidentally happen to be white, I am asking them, or anyone, how they were able to choose the time, place, race, parents, IQ, health, talents? Cause I know some persons who are little more than living vegetables from birth and am wondering how they got so lucky with their choices? I’m still waiting for some believable answer.
IMO, the only choice we can make is what to do with whatever we are given that can not be bought or earned.
If they have to call themselves good Christians, they are NOT.
13“Liberty Institute!” Enough said! Troglydytism (a person who is regarded as being deliberately ignorant or old-fashioned) at its best! (Definition from the Apple dictionary.)
14“We, the caucus of the sentient” Love that line from PKM. Got into a “discussion” with a pompous RW sometime back regarding my use of that word (sentient). He said we are all sentient. I replied that my definition involved more than simply recognizing yourself in the mirror. He didn’t reply.
15@Mike
16Your point is valid. They call themselves “Christian” but ignore the significant content of the New Testament while worshipping some content of the Old Testament as it relates to a fire and brimstone falling from the sky sorta God. But they don’t assume Judaism in spite of their OT worship. So in the end I see them they are skimmers in the Bible. Highlighting in yellow the parts they like and selectively ignoring the parts they don’t.
How right you are, Mike. It’s as if Jesus Christ never happened.
17Pope Francis is getting about the same reception as He did.
This love thy neighbor stuff, no matter what shape or form, is totally alien to these Old-Testament-or nothing thumpers.
And now for a public service announcement on behalf of all Christians everywhere. Please pray this Prayer for Paris:
Compassionate God and Father of all,
we are horrified at violence
in so many parts of the world.
It seems that none are safe, and some are terrified.
Hold back the hands that kill and maim;
turn around the hearts that hate.
Grant instead your strong Spirit of Peace –
peace that passes our understanding
but changes lives,
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen
God of Hope,
we come to you in shock and grief and confusion of heart.
Help us to find peace in the knowledge
of your loving mercy to all your children,
and give us light to guide us out of our darkness
into the assurance of your love,
In Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen
Merciful God,
hear the cries of our grief,
for you know the anguish of our hearts.
It is beyond our understanding
and more than we can bear.
We pray that justice may be done
and that we may treasure the memory of their lives
more than the manner of their death.
For Christ’s sake.
Amen
– Church of England
18You will know they are Christians by how they behave. Saying you are does not make you one.
19Looks to me like they all need some prunes. JMHO.
20DaChipster, I missed that one: “They put the ‘amen’ in fundamental.” Not in a good way IMO.
I’ll add that as a straight, white, back sliding agnostic male, I wish this ilk would just mind their own gall durned bidness. Their collective hypocrisy makes my head hurt.
21I kept trying to find a connection between the Liberty Institute and Koch brothers but couldn’t. It just sounded like something they’d like.
22Love one another.
I could swear these are the offspring of the same bunch that harassed me about fluoride in the drinking water! They claimed it would not only kill you but – horrors! – make you into a Communist! When I was about as tall as a bucket, someone told me that if I sinned the gates of Hell would open at my feet and reveal a fiery pit. Never tell that to a kid. Frontal lobes are not exactly in gear. Would do anything to see something that spectacular!
23Tony, that’s the problem. There is no “war on Christianity”; the rest of us are just sick and tired of fundies trying to make laws that would force everybody to live the way they think we should. They can’t even get their own sacred book right, never mind my life or yours. They think it’s “oppression” and “religious bigotry” if we don’t let them oppress other people.
Mind you, there are plenty of real Christians out there quietly doing good. It’s the loud, nasty ones claiming the title that give the others a bad name. Same thing with Muslims– only a relative handful shoot people or applaud those who do, but they drown out the many who deplore the violence claimed to be in their god’s name.
24Was “unfriended” by one of these types…she actually lived in Plano, for 10 years…and her “Christianity” was so distasteful I didn’t worry about losing her…I think of that Billy Joel song, “I know your mother didn’t care for me, but did she ever say a prayer for me?”
25They are ignorant. To “leif” something is to know it. So belief is to trust what you know. Without questioning the reasoning gets more and more circular, “I trust what I know because I know it…” The beginners mind, always open to question, is so beyond what they understand that I pray for them…not in the May their wives be made widows way that they were praying for our President, but in a way that their hearts may be softened before like Pharoah, they are hit with the OT God’s harshness…cherry picking is a lukewarm position, no matter how harsh and vicous they may get, for they are neither “People of the Book” nor “covered by the blood” and they will therefore be spewed out…sigh, we are here to love one another and although I sincerely hold that each one of us gives all the love they have available to give at any given time, watching these kind of displays makes me personally mourn for what has been demonstrated to each individual as love, for what they are giving is so full of pain. I’m sorry for them mostly, but will keep my distance as if they were rabid dogs.
Plano and Richardson are two of the deepest pits of Conservative Hell. Many years ago Helen and I were “Masters” of one of the, then, female Residential Colleges of Rice University. Our most damaged young women were daughters of parents from Plano and Richardson who demanded to be in total control of every aspect of their children’s experience. It was awful!
26The arguments these so-called Christians are using to protect their businesses from the [gasp!] horrors of having to serve people they abhor have not changed one bit from their argument fifty or sixty years ago against having to serve blacks. Only the group they fear has changed.
27If they smiled they’d look like the travelers on those river cruise brochures that come to my house about every other day. As an old white person, not sure why I’d want to vacation with a boat full of old white people.
28Of course they’re only paying attention to the Old Testament fire-and-brimstone bits of the Bible! How could they possibly pay attention to anything that socialist, vagrant, law-breaking, tradition-ignoring, rabble-rousing Rabbi in the New Testament had to say? They’d cross the street to keep away from him.
29Christian Dominionism run amok.
30From the looks of them, it’s time to add a little chlorine to the gene pool.
31From that Picture, looks to me like a bunch of old Fag Hags who are still bitter that they weren’t able to “Change” that boy in High school they were in love with.
32And then men, well, I’ve Drank a cup or two of some “Tea” in some of the tearooms around the Metroplex back in the day, and me thinks they ought not be throwin stones…..
Judging from the picture, their committment to diversity seems limited to things like optional use of hats and facial hair.
33“Good Christians” are not those who judge and condemn. Jesus was VERY specific about that.
34They look like the Tea Party crowds I saw when I watched “Citizen Koch” today. Ignorant, and proud of it. It’s an excellent documentary, but don’t watch it before bedtime; you won’t sleep. Also approach with caution if your blood pressure tends to spike.
35Thanks to Don in Pennsyltucky (Did I spell that right?), I bought the current issue of Newsweek, and I am more sure than ever that the people who thump most loudly on their Bibles have never read one. They seem to think it’s some sort of cafeteria where they can choose only the quotes that please them. I feel sorry for those who really try to be followers of Christ. It must be a hard road to defend Christianity from those who are ignorant and stupid and proud of it.
36To call up a term from another recent JJ item here about earthquakes: Frack Plano.
37These people’s fanatic concern over other people’s sex lives verges on pornography if not downright perversion. I have to wonder if there’s some huge lack in their own.
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, obsess.
38If these so-called “Christians” would spend half the time and energy on helping people that they do on condemning people, we’d all be a lot better off.
Religion: if you’re pointing fingers, you’re doing it wrong.
39“If Christ were here there is one thing he would not be—a Christian.”
― Mark Twain, Notebook
40Just to lighten things up a bit. It’s kind of fun to play with people like that. You know, tease them a little about their obvious ignorance of the Bible, etc. Tell them you support keeping the confederate battle flag on Texas license plates because that’s the way to know who has a sheet tucked under the front seat. Mention that a teenage unwed mother gave them Jesus. They get all flustered ! It just makes one want to become a Buddist. . . . . or perhaps a druid. . . . . or perhaps a secular humanist.
41Actually, they are very dangerous people. And we had better see to it that they do not end up controlling our government. That means that we had better get out the vote and sign petitions and write letters and join forces to fight off this plague before it eats away at our society like a socio-economic version of ebola.