A complex debate part two

December 31, 2021 By: Nick Carraway Category: Uncategorized

I decided to break this into parts because no one wants to read that much and really these issues are not quite the same. One of the points of debate on the issue of the Roman McClay books was whose responsibility it was monitor such a thing. The argument was essentially that it wasn’t so much that these books should be banned, but that Amazon shouldn’t be the vehicle for them. This is not the first time that Amazon has pulled books and it certainly won’t be the last.

While I retain some level of anonymity, I would like to point out that have had a few books published in my lifetime. I’m certainly not as prolific as some of our commenters and regular readers and the books haven’t been successful. In fact, that is what led me to Amazon to self-publish my last work. See, ADP (Amazon Direct Publishing) offers the lowest costs to authors and so I was guaranteed a profit (even if small) for the first time in my publishing life.

This is paramount as it pertains to issues of regulating taste and content. Traditional publishers have gatekeepers that monitor this throughout the publishing process. One publisher took my original book idea, threw it out, and asked me to write a new one based on a single chapter from the original. Others edited or revised the content slightly depending on the situation. Amazon did not edit my work. Amazon did not make suggestions for changes. As far as I was concerned, I was completely on my own. Naturally, this made the process much easier and cheaper to me, but it also made it more difficult in terms of limiting errors. Like most writers, making the occasional error is unavoidable, but finding those errors is more difficult when you are looking at your own work.

A friend on another site suggested that Amazon should be responsible for monitoring their site for offensive material. This sounds great, but I’m not sure if he knew exactly what he was suggesting. Amazon would need to hire quite a few gatekeepers to review material before it gets published. They would either have the power to say yes or no or they could have the additional power to recommend changes. At that point, Amazon ceases to be a self-publishing company. They become a traditional publishing house and those gatekeepers would need to be paid somehow. Those additional costs would be passed on to the authors.

The current system relies on consumers to alert Amazon to problems when they see them. They could then remove such items in a similar way that Twitter and Facebook reviews questionable tweets/posts once they are flagged as either abusive and/or misleading. Of course, Amazon has the further issue of supporting fiction and nonfiction content. It is one thing to take an informational tweet or post and tag it as abusive, offensive, or misleading. It’s another to take a work of fiction and do the same.

In that sense, Amazon serves as a platform and not a traditional publishing house. Traditional publishing houses actively control the content they release to the public. Amazon obviously does not, but clearly they have shown some restraint after the fact. This is clearly where some folks misunderstand how free speech works. Everyone has freedom of speech. Platforms have the freedom to determine if they want to amplify that speech or not. Everyone gets the right to say what they want to say. No one has an absolute right to a microphone. They also don’t have the right to restrict people’s reactions to their speech.

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0 Comments to “A complex debate part two”


  1. Grandma Ada says:

    Platforms like Amazon, Facebook, and others have no way to monitor everything that they have become. We regulate liquor sales by requiring an ID to make a purchase, but online, you are anonymous – and when people think they are anonymous they say and do things they’d never do in the light of day. I don’t know the solution.

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  2. Nick, there’s another Nick who writes well, too. fwiw He can seriously make the eyes bleed if one is wont to speed read through his extended paragraphs.

    We’re direct to the source on-line shoppers. Should you or Ms. JJ write a book, we’d be happy to purchase it direct from the WMDBS. She could be the next Molly Ivens and Ann Richards plus one. Nick, you could be shooting for Charles Dickens or Plato. We eagerly await your literally weighty tome!

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  3. “…Amazon should be responsible for monitoring their site for offensive material…”
    What is offensive? and to who? This site finds certain 4-letter words offense and I do not. Others find naked offensive, I do not. So since someone finds something offensive then I should be censored??/? Why??? As far as anyone uses a book to inspire willing!! Well when are they going to to do a general censorship on the BuyBull or the KAKAkoran???? These two books have inspired more violence than any other books in total!!

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  4. Amazon doesn’t need gatekeepers and they don’t often pull books. They still sell Hitler’s Mein Kampf, for example. I’m not a fan of censorship. If you don’t like a book, don’t read it. But mind your own business. I don’t need other people’s moral, ethical or religious views shoved in my face.

    I read lots of political and mystery thrillers. Even with the most renowned authors I find the occasional spelling and grammar errors. I’ve learned that even some of the biggest publishing houses no longer employ editors so the author is often required to self edit or hire their own these days. Not an easy or cheap task. However, that doesn’t stop them from telling you how to tell your story. I found the same know-it-alls in the music biz.

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  5. Sandridge says:

    Well, the Tweeter machine just banished good ol’ Marg Traitor Greene; for, iirc, her antivaxx lying. Solid editorial work that is, belated but a-ok. A few down, thousands to go.

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