Those Who Know The Least Are The Loudest
It involves sex, so here come the priests.
The nation’s Roman Catholic bishops are in a difficult position as the debate over immigration reform gets underway: The immigrant-built American church, known for advocating a broad welcome for migrants and refugees, could end up opposing reform because it would recognize same-sex partners.
In a letter that remains secret because “of the sensitivity of the issue,” the Catholic Bishops let President Obama know that “recognition of gay couples in the president’s reform proposals ‘jeopardizes passage of the bill’.”
Oh cool. Now they wear dresses and have secrets. They’ve become the Klan.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think they should be talking about gay
Stone, meet glass house. One more time: The Catholic Church should be the last damn place on earth lecturing other people about sexual preferences. The last damn place.
Will there also be a restriction on people who had hoochy for fun and not procreation? Fornicators? Adulterers? Cross dressers?
Let me tell you something NOT a secret and horribly insensitive – you’re fixing to upset me. I am tired of my country acting on your religious dictates. If you do not want to marry a gay person, then don’t. Be a self satisfied judgmental hateful meanie. That’s fine, but don’t make me be one.
Well, that got my blood a’pumpin’ this morning.
Thanks to Bernard for the heads up.
I read the article. All I could think about in the portions where it says the CT has been the advocate for immigrants (legal/illegal) and the majority of their congregations swinging more towards them is . . . Tool of the ruling classes, always has been always will be. Keep ’em in ignorance, barefoot and pregnant. They’ll be too busy trying to survive to do anything about it. The saddest part is their vulnerability.
I agree with you JJ, of all institutions to speak on the subject of gay marriage especially at this juncture . . . . armadillo or rhinoceros springs to mind.
1You’d think, since they lost all their credibility with the Crusades, that Galilao thing, the misogeny, the perverts and the abuse, people with average thinking skills would ignore the Church by now.
The Church has been consistantly losing ground over the years and I doubt they will gather more support in the future. America is changing and we are choosing the better angels of our nature.
Our Socialist Kenyan Muslim*(tm) President Obama should tell them to go re-read Matthew25.
2Think this covers it well
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=238920456245188&set=a.156104577860110.35944.156080331195868&type=1&theater
3Whatsa matter? They don’t want their boyfriends to know? It seems to be there has been enough secrecy in the CC to last many life times. No one is requiring them to perform gay marriages, so they should just go away and quit opining about something they allegedly know nothing about.
4“When God tells you what to do, that’s fine. When God tells you to tell ME what to do, we have a problem.” — folksinger Cheryl Wheeler
Also note their attitude to birth control and health insurance, which seems to come down to “We don’t care if we’re not paying for it; we don’t want anybody working for us or for anybody like us to have any birth control, period.”
I really wish a lot of folks would actually read their Bibles and find out that Jesus put a lot more emphasis on helping poor and sick people instead of sticking your nose into everybody else’s bedroom.
5On the subject of the church and birth control,the powers to be should look around the church on Sunday morning. When I was a kid, lo those many years ago, the mom and dad would pile into the pews with five, six or more kids. Do you see that now? Not hardly, and I just wonder why! I doubt that is is that the mom and dad are refraining from having sex at the right time f the month.
6I think it’s about time the religious organisations started paying their fair share in taxes and be subject to the same laws as every other decent person.
Wait.. That’s it. They’re not decent.
The personhood? Of a child molesters and those who aid the child molester’s escape from law? It doesn’t really qualify for “personhood” in my book.
But let’s start with taxes. Wonder how that would go over with the greedy bassurds.
Oh, and visas. They are a foreign nation (Vatican) on USA soil, so how about we have then deported?
Or detained at Guantanamo for their intolerant terrorist rantings against gays, women, already born children..
Ugh they make me mad ..
7If they don’t want us to recognize same-sex couples that means we can’t recognize Catholic Bishops or Priests because so many of them have coupled with underage boys.
8Shouldn’t someone be canonized – with a real cannon?
9Their level of arrogance and hypocrisy has no equal.
10Deport them all to the vatican…………now!!
Homophobia trumps kinder treatment of immigrants. OK, good to know, church guys!
11Way to go, Ralph. Glad I had the sense to avoid churches almost 70 years ago. No loss. Just a sense of wonder inspired not by the gospel, but by the actions/words of the church minions.
12“Methinks he doth protest too much…..”
13Went to a nephew’s wedding in Philadelphia a few years ago. The bride was Catholic, so it was a big Catholic wedding with all the bells and whistles. During the ceremony, my smarty pants husband whispered gently into my ear, “I wonder when the good Father is going to break into show tunes”. The Reverend Father tripped Skip’s gaydar. That seldom happens. I couldn’t help but wonder how predatory he was as he assembled all the children at the service (the bride was a teacher, and all her students were invited) to come join the other children in the family in a prayer to Virgin Mary to bless her marriage with children.
I first became aware of gay priests about 25 years ago when a gay friend of mine was helping me pull off a Jefferson/Jackson Day banquet using facilities at Regis University in Denver. There were a couple of priests who were far less than subtle about hitting on my friend, which made him incredibly uncomfortable, given the situation. He was even invited to go visit with them in their living quarters for a glass of wine after we finished our meetings and walk-thru of their banquet facility. You could have knocked this little naive Methodist over with a feather!
With that kind of hypocrisy it makes me think that this whole argument is now about the bottom line financially, and the costs incurred to provide birth control in their health insurance coverage. The Vatican drips gold; people have been murdered over money issues in that church. The Vatican is simply run by a bunch of power hungry, back stabbing old men, and has been for centuries.
14I don’t think Pres. Obama will be visiting the Vatican any time soon. Or, at least I hope he doesn’t.
15In fairness, I’ve read that priests who abuse boys aren’t necessarily gay. The way they were raised and trained didn’t let their sexuality develop as adults, and they may remain stuck at the stage where kids “play doctor” with other kids regardless of gender. Also they have more access to boys than to girls, though some girls have been abused too.
None of this excuses what they’ve done; I just don’t want “gay” priests to get ALL the blame.
16@Rhea–I agree with you. A gay priest is not necessarily a pedophile priest. The two are unrelated and should not be used interchangeably.
17So, the news today is that Pope Ratzy is going to resign. Wonder what’s up with the gay pope?
18I read about the Papal “resignatiton” also. Effective end of the month. Well, at least he did give two weeks notice. Said he just “didn’t have the strength to continue”. Isn’t that when you get on your knees and ask for it? I don’t know. Maybe the man is terminally ill, and nobody wants to say. But has anybody else ever heard of a “Papal resignation”. Usually it comes when they leave this earth.
Don’t they have to now convene the College of Cardinals, in secret I think, to choose a new one? And when they have, the smoke comes out of somewhere? Blowing smoke, they have down pat. (O.K. so this isn’t my church.) I don’t know the process for sure, but I do know most of these guys stay, forever. Nobody resigns…. I don’t think.
When I read that a (9) year old girl had become a mother in Mexico, that her mother had a total of (11) children, and that the age of “sexual consent” in pre-dominately Catholic Mexico for girls is 12 years. I’d heard enough. No wonder they climb the walls, walk through the desert, and/or swim the Rio Grande.
19I have a question, when they have the “College of Cardinals” does the current Pope attend? does he get a vote?
20This never came up when I went to Catholic school so I don’t honestly know the answer.
Yes, the Pope gave notice that he will step down on February 28th … he is the 3rd Pope to ever resign:
The last Pope to resign willingly was Celestine V in 1294 after reigning for only five months, his resignation was known as “the great refusal” and was condemned by the poet Dante in the “Divine Comedy”. Gregory XII reluctantly abdicated in 1415 to end a dispute with a rival claimant to the papacy.
21I believe he is too old to attend or vote in the Conclave
22@Miemaw. Your information about Mexico is somewhat misleading. The legal age for marriage in México is 18. The legal age for marriage of minors with parental consent is 16 for males and 15 for females.
The age of sexual consent between consenting minors varies with the state all the way from puberty to 17 years for both sexes. There is NO age of consent between a minor and an adult 18-years-of-age or greater. That is illegal in all jurisdictions.
23I guess leaving by resignation seems a bit easier than leaving by dying……….just a thought. Hopefully they will find another one who is a bit more pleasant in appearance than this evil looking one…….just a thought……..maybe he’s gonna finally COME OUT…………just a thought…………..:)
24If the issue is fighting for downtrodden people versus fighting against sex the Catholic Church will choose sex every time.
25To choose a new pope (the old one doesn’t attend because he’s generally dead), the cardinals convene in the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican. They vote, then burn the votes if no one has enough votes. The smoke is then dark. When a pope is elected the smoke is white. There’s quite a lot more to it, and it is done in secrecy, to the extent that only the cardinals can attend. People stand out in St. Peter’s Square, sometimes for days, waiting for the white smoke.
26@Jo and Rhea: I agree. Pedophilia and homosexuality are too often considered the same. They are each separate “preferences.”
What really curdles my cream (besides the current scandal) is the fact that the Vatican has always looked upon the U S of A as one big piggy bank. I gave up on them years ago! Would not look for an American to get the white smoke out the chimney. Razi has probably already designated a successor and the conclave will simply go through the motions.
27Vis a vis preferences, sex between consenting of age partners reflects a preference. Forcing yourself on a minor not of the age of consent is a perversion, AND a crime!
28Another little item of interest. The Bishop of Rome is the titular head of the RC Church, and is meant to make the tenets of the Faith known to Catholics, and to some extent, the world. Every time I bring this up I get castigated, but these things really only apply to Catholics, and the real problem is that some Catholics apparently feel that it is their bounden duty to force everyone else to conform, even if only by law if not by faith.
The institution that needs to be reined in in this nation is the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, whose current president is Timothy Cardinal Dolan of New York. They are the ones that are agitating to upend or amend our laws to reflect a Catholic perspective. I find this very troubling, as I feel that a secular sovereign nation does not need the assistance of the USCCB to enact or amend legislation. Furthermore, as I have also said before, when the Bishops get their own house clean they can look over at ours, but until then, they need to go mind the business they are actually responsible for and leave the others alone!
29Well said, Aggieland liz! As if our President gives a hoot what the American Cardinals think. They are all lucky they are not in jail for harboring pedophiles. I happen to be a lifelong American Catholic who is disgusted with the hypocrisy of these men. The Church finds itself in the same boat as the Republicans, stuck in the old prejudices and mindsets
30which are driving peope away in droves!