“The Press is Being Unfair to White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis”
Yes, he actually said it. In a combative appearance before the press in Cheeto Tower, Trump blew a head gasket and said some REALLY inflammatory and false things. He got so heated up that I thought his combover was going to self combust. A few gems:
“You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side — you can call them the left, you just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.”
“I think there’s blame on both sides. I don’t have any doubt about it and you don’t have any doubt it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say it.”
“George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? …Are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? OK, good. Are we going to take down his statue, because he was a major slave owner. Now we’re going to take down his statue. So you know what? It’s fine. You’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
Best quote of the day, though? From Chuck Todd. Quoting Trump, he said, “The press has been unfair to White Nationalists and neo-Nazis. We’ll let that sink in while we go to commercial break.”
Jesus, what a day. Again.
Nazis, it’s the fault of the press they’re so misunderstood.
1Holy crap on a cracker.
2MSNBC is going to replay full Press Conference during the 5:00 hour Central time for those who missed it..
3He doesn’t have all the details so he just makes them up. When he does get the police report and it is contrary to what he has said, he will call it fake news. This man has no shame. And the rest of us end up feeling the shame that has been dumped on this country by a guy who is totally nucking futz. He is dragging this country down a rabbit hole and at some point someone is going to put a lid on the opening to the hole and that will be it for us.
4Just when I think he can’t go any lower, he goes there –
5The “alt left” wasn’t out marching the previous night with their tiki torches, chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil”. (Google it).
6Funny–the people that I saw with shields and clubs and torches were the ones wearing the alt-right/Nazi insignia, not the ones opposing them and getting rammed by a car in the street. Trump is a total ass who has no business being President. Among the many other reasons he is unfit is that the alt-right/Nazis form a chunk of his base, which he refuses to condemn because he would lose their support. He needs to be impeached, NOW.
7If he could get away with it, he would own more slaves than all the founding fathers combined.
8Also, anybody notice how Donnie Douchebag suggested George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were just as guilty of criminality as Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson since all 4 were slave owners? So let’s see if I’ve got this straight. Taking down monuments to men who led a revolt for the purpose of destroying our country is a slippery slope leading to taking down monuments of the men who built it. Well, I guess its time to start a demolition company and head for D.C. for Donnie’s fabulous new infrastructure program. Think how much of the southern wall can be built with the material we’ll get from the Washington Monument!
9I see that President Bannon is back in charge.
10Also, and then I’ll shut up, how long does everyone think John Kelly’s gonna last? I’ll be surprised if he’s still around by the end of the month.
11@P.P.
George III prolly did regard G Washington and T Jefferson as guilty of criminality against the Crown. George III would have punished them severely, except these colonists soundly defeated the British Army of the time. Statues of
12G Washington and T Jefferson appear fairly infrequently today in British public places. As you can imagine.
The worst is A$$hole-in-Thief’s false equivalence between Washington and Jefferson to Lee (Davis,
and the rest) as slaveholders, and also equating the Revolutionary War and Independence with the CSA’s treasonous rebellion and Civil War.
As if throwing off an oppressive monarchy to win freedom for most, is the same as negating a union freely entered into a few decades before in the treasonous sole interest of slavery for profit of the few.
Their statues stand for very different things. As did the marchers on both sides, and with very different demeanors.
I still think that he, and/or his handlers, are far smarter than most give them credit for, they always seem to spew out exactly what pushes the Rethuglikkkan’s buttons.
Full A-i-T transcript here:
13https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/15/1689988/-Full-transcript-of-Donald-Trump-s-press-conference-at-Trump-Tower
Remember when GEN Kelly was going to bring some discipline to this White House? That lasted for what? A week?
14Dementia. Just you wait and see.
15I was thinking about General Kelly, too. My best guess is he will quit in less than 2 weeks.
16You know his father was arrested for taking part in a KKK rally in Queens back in the 1920s or 30s! Check out the end of Ari Melber’s show on MSNBC for a good comeback to moral relativism.
17John Kelly listening to Trump defend the Neo Nazis, KKK, etc.
https://mobile.twitter.com/kristindonnelly/status/897551033743921152/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fclean-up-on-aisle-trump-president-reverses-course-on-neo-nazis-slams-the-alt-left
18Collective thoughts on General Kelly: Before I read the comments, I, too wondered if Kelly was in control of this mad idiot.
Cheryl: I think Kelly will be running for the WH door soon. And I think the handlers/PR critter will only wade through so much horse biscuits before they leave as well.
If he has dementia, (his dad had it), I hope they put him in a locked psych ward soon. IDK how much more this country can take…
19I hate to defend Donnie on anything, but what he’s actually quoted as saying is this:
“you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
What he’s saying is that the people in the group OTHER THAN the neo-Nazis and white nationalists have been treated unfairly by the press. I don’t know who those people are, but Donnie does distinguish them from the neo-Nazis and white nationalists who “should be condemned totally.”
I hate the bugger, but let’s be fair about what he said. JJ’s headline is NOT what he said, if her quote is correct. We have enough to condemn him for over the remarks about “blame on both sides” and the left starting the attacks, and over not condemning the neo-Nazis etc. for two days when he was given plenty of chances and refused.
20Rhea –
How did Donald Trump, who has not shown any ability for detail, determine who was a neo-nazi, who was a white nationalist, and who were well intentioned “other than.”
It was a crowd. They didn’t wear uniforms or white sheets. It would be hard to pick out and label one from another.
If asked, would every neo-nazi say “I’m a neo-nazi?” Does every racist think they’re a racist?
21Granted, I don’t know who the hell Donnie was talking about, but he did try to make some kind of distinction, finally. I realize I’m trying to be fairer to him than he is to anybody, but I also don’t want the RWNJs to point out that he’s being misquoted and so brush off the criticism of him.
On the other hand, the Anne Frank Center has asked Twitter to delete Donnie’s personal account:
http://americannewsx.com/hot-off-the-press/anne-frank-center-trump-delete-account/
22I just saw this over in the comments at Alicublog:
23Confederate general statues = Civil War participation trophies
He should not be forced to take down is Twitter account. It may be our the true path and fastest to his downfall. Never interrupt your opponent when they are self destructing.
24Oh, he’s just saying that because he’s afraid that if he doesn’t, Bannon will call him a cuck.
25Would be nice, though, if the antifas and anarchists weren’t such cowards that they have to hide behind other peoples’ rallies and protests.
26We had ’em in the Sixties; they’re part of why the Vietnam war lasted so long. Very distracting and destructive to the protests.
I don’t know anyone but Trump who would need “more facts” in order to figure out whether Nazis, KKKers, and fascists need to be condemned.
Seen elsewhere, bears repeating:
Both sides did not come armed with long guns.
Both sides did not come armed with sticks.
Both sides did not come in para-military gear.
Both sides did not come with Nazi flags.
Both sides did not come with Confederate flags.
Both sides were not giving the Nazi salute,
Both sides did not drive a car into a crowd of people, intent on killing and maiming.
Only one side did these things. That side was the one chanting “Make America Great Again”, “Take America Back”, “Blood and Soil”. That side is emboldened by those who talk about “both sides” being responsible.
27Being President doesn’t change who you are.
It reveals who you are.
Michelle Obama
28A few thoughts:
1) heard on the tv machine, someone said if there were non-white supremacists among the tiki crowd, they should have departed when they saw the flags and chants because that would have made it clear who they were marching with.
2) I’d love to know Gen. Kelly’s thoughts. Wonder if he’s thinking he gave his career and his son gave his life to this country and how this dangerous buffoon is trampling the very rights they fought for. It’s shameful.
3) There’s always something/someone who comes along to lift my spirits, and this is what was on my tv tonight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRjT1bDuYM4 This darling girl with the amazing voice was seriously ill at age 4 and needed a kidney donated from her mom to live. Truly Angelic.
4) Fuck you, trump! You are NOT America, do not represent America!
29As a northerner (North Dakota to be exact) who just doesn’t “get” the passion for the great, brave Southern generals, I cannot understand the devotion to lost causes: the Confederacy, the Nazi regime. The Gargoyle has also made the transference from the Civil War to WWII which makes no sense other than to them. As for the removal of statuary, which is a BIG issue here in Virginia and Maryland, the Gargoyle fails to consider that Washington and Jefferson were also PRESIDENTS. And, although they were part of the plantation culture, they took their presidential jobs seriously, something the Gargoyle fails to do.
30Let me add that by removing, or relocating, the monuments, we are not necessarily rewriting history. Leave that the the editors of more recent history books that refer to slaves as “guest workers’. THAT to me is a horrendous rewrite of history. In a responsible school system, the Civil War will be taught, in context to the greater picture. The Germans had it right when they removed the bronze honors to Hitler. For a while the history of his movement was ignored, and 40 years ago (I was there), the TV mini series Holocaust was broadcast there and the young people where horrified.
31Rhea: Keep on keepin’on. As much as I love talking smack on Donnie Douchebag, the real fake news doesn’t need our help.
32Update to my thought on removal of statues. Yes they should be removed. I always thought they were put up to remember their southern heritage. Yes slavery is wrong, the south was wrong to leave the union over support of slavery! I now discovered these statures were put up during the height of white supremacy and the KKK. They were to support these causes..so down they should come!
33Rhea, I’m sorry but I disagree. If his point is there were people at the Friday night Citronella Putsch and the Saturday white supremacist riot who just wanted to protest the removal of the statue and were not Nazis or white supremacists themselves, the best thing that can be said of those people is that they accept Nazis and white supremacists as fellow travelers. Holding common cause with bigots and fascists instead of walking away from them, to me, demonstrates they are not “fine people”.
So there were zero “fine people” on that side by my reckoning. None. The only actual fine people in Charlottesville that day opposed racists, and one of them was killed for it. I’m not willing to let Dolt45’s temper tantrum or any concerns about media criticism sway me from that simple truth.
34Even I was tl;dr on that. LOL Jimmy Kimmel said it with brevity:
If you’re with a group of people and they’re chanting things like ‘Jews will not replace us’ and you don’t immediately leave, you are not a very fine person.
35what do you do when you can’t get someone to take a certain job and do it your way or even last past lunch? Well, you hire a girl. Her name is Hope Hicks and she is now White House Director of Communications. whatever happens now will also involve references to here sex. Hope, Honey. Here is some advice. The only way you can handle this situation is with your hat. Grab it and run.
36Yes, the presser was off the rails but afterwards he really got under my skin by talking — and if he is talking he is lying – about WINE. Don’t lie about WINE. That is the really important stuff. First, he says he owns a winery. Trump winery. Well, check the winery’s website and it goes out of its way to say it is owned by Eric — not Donald. I know they are one and the same but the winery has tried real hard to distance itself from Donald only for him to say he owns it. Second, he lied about how big it is. Color me surprised. It is not the largest winery in the United States. It is not one of the largest wineries on the East Coast. It isn’t even the largest winery in Virginia — wine capital that it is. Don’t lie about WINE. And don’t believe a word this man says.
37AlanInAustin – exactly!!
38Okay, I take it back. Trump has no real defense for anything he said. And anybody who was on that side for any other reason should have walked away when they saw the Nazi flags.
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